It's critical to understand that identity politics has been a blessing for corporate America (I recently retired from one of the world's most powerful banks). What identity politics does is to permit companies to launder reputation with a system of belief, ie identity politics, that in no way threatens business model. In that respect, Occupy Wall Street is the opposite of identity politics.
Put differently, identity politics provides a mask that allows class to obscure itself.
Dr. Mounk, I am not sure how you choose guest, but I will be intrepid and request that you consider the writers of these 2 great articles:
Tom Mackaman who recently wrote this stunning essay which is a rebuttal to historian Woody Holton article in the Washington Post:
"Historian Woody Holton launches 1619 Project-inspired attack on the American Revolution"
There is a problem with the statement that " the racial wealth gap owes itself largely to differences in the top 10%, and really the top 5% and 1%);." This conclusion is the result of a comparison of mean wealth and gives the extreme wealth a disproportionate impact. A more accurate depiction of the racial wealth gap is based on the medium wealth where the difference is very large. Another good measure of the racial wealth gap is the difference in the wealth tied up in home ownership. Again this is very large gap.
Another excellent podcast, but I found the second half more accurate and more enlightening. In the transcript, start with: "Now, where I think the mistake is ..."
“ When you say it's gone into “trolling” mode today, I take it you mean things like Dinesh D'Souza pointing out that it was actually the Democrats in the 19th century who defended slavery and Republicans who attacked it.”
Oh look, more Democrats trying to downplay the Democratic Party’s primary role in slavery and racial terrorism during a time(now) when the Democratic Party is using the history of slavery and racism to gaslight the American public into accepting its politics. How about you mention the obvious “trolling” of the Democratic Party’s official claim on their website that they have been fighting for civil rights for 200 years?
I suggest people read my nuanced examination of the Democratic Party and its loyalist’s current grotesque manipulation of history. This discussion with Mounk is just one more example of it.
I voted for Democrats most my life, and canvassed for months for Obama. I have not voted Republican for a presidential election once. I recently voted for Kevin Paffrath for Governor to replace Newsom. Any Democrat who wants to be “anti racist” today needs to stop downplaying the Democratic Party’s past connection to slavery and racial terrorism. The Democratic Party needs to redeem itself moreso than “America” does with regard to slavery and racism. Acting like the last “20 to 40 years” is the most important time when the Democratic Party constantly, ad nauseum, invokes the history of racism in this country — - and the past 20 to 40 years have been the greatest period of opportunity for “black” people, including myself, in the history of the world in the US and other economically flourishing countries, is absurd political sectarianism.
"The Democratic Party needs to redeem itself moreso than “America” does with regard to slavery and racism." This seems just like blaming white kids today what whites did in 1619. People are responsible for what they have some control over, and that does not include things that happened before they were born.
Comparing the Democratic Party to a race doesn’t make sense. A party is precisely something we have control over joining, a race is not. People, especially Democrats, would have absolutely no problem blaming a corporation for what it did in its past. And Democrats have absolutely no problem blaming “America” for what it did in its past, particularly slavery. While America was split about slavery during the civil war, the Democratic Party was very united—specifically in its desire to continue it.
Democrats are currently “investigating” reparations for slavery, yet they will undoubtedly not find guilt or responsibility in their own party. That is repulsive. They will instead find a means, if they do anything, to push the guilt and responsibility onto innocent people to pay for those reparations. The Democratic Party should be the first to pay reparations for slavery and racial terrorism, if anyone does. And out of their own wealth, which derives from slavery and racial terrorism, not from the wealth of the random tax payer who could be a first generation immigrant from India.
If a Democrat supports using tax payer money to pay for reparations but doesn’t support the Democratic Party directly paying reparations, they are essentially slave apologists.
Thank you for the conversation.
It's critical to understand that identity politics has been a blessing for corporate America (I recently retired from one of the world's most powerful banks). What identity politics does is to permit companies to launder reputation with a system of belief, ie identity politics, that in no way threatens business model. In that respect, Occupy Wall Street is the opposite of identity politics.
Put differently, identity politics provides a mask that allows class to obscure itself.
Dr. Mounk, I am not sure how you choose guest, but I will be intrepid and request that you consider the writers of these 2 great articles:
Tom Mackaman who recently wrote this stunning essay which is a rebuttal to historian Woody Holton article in the Washington Post:
"Historian Woody Holton launches 1619 Project-inspired attack on the American Revolution"
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/09/17/holt-s17.html
Also, Princeton historian Sean Wilentz who a few months ago wrote this:
"The 1619 Project and Living in Truth"
https://www.opera-historica.com/pdfs/oph/2021/01/05.pdf
There is a problem with the statement that " the racial wealth gap owes itself largely to differences in the top 10%, and really the top 5% and 1%);." This conclusion is the result of a comparison of mean wealth and gives the extreme wealth a disproportionate impact. A more accurate depiction of the racial wealth gap is based on the medium wealth where the difference is very large. Another good measure of the racial wealth gap is the difference in the wealth tied up in home ownership. Again this is very large gap.
Another excellent podcast, but I found the second half more accurate and more enlightening. In the transcript, start with: "Now, where I think the mistake is ..."
“ When you say it's gone into “trolling” mode today, I take it you mean things like Dinesh D'Souza pointing out that it was actually the Democrats in the 19th century who defended slavery and Republicans who attacked it.”
Oh look, more Democrats trying to downplay the Democratic Party’s primary role in slavery and racial terrorism during a time(now) when the Democratic Party is using the history of slavery and racism to gaslight the American public into accepting its politics. How about you mention the obvious “trolling” of the Democratic Party’s official claim on their website that they have been fighting for civil rights for 200 years?
I suggest people read my nuanced examination of the Democratic Party and its loyalist’s current grotesque manipulation of history. This discussion with Mounk is just one more example of it.
https://minorityreport.substack.com/p/accepting-the-obvious
I voted for Democrats most my life, and canvassed for months for Obama. I have not voted Republican for a presidential election once. I recently voted for Kevin Paffrath for Governor to replace Newsom. Any Democrat who wants to be “anti racist” today needs to stop downplaying the Democratic Party’s past connection to slavery and racial terrorism. The Democratic Party needs to redeem itself moreso than “America” does with regard to slavery and racism. Acting like the last “20 to 40 years” is the most important time when the Democratic Party constantly, ad nauseum, invokes the history of racism in this country — - and the past 20 to 40 years have been the greatest period of opportunity for “black” people, including myself, in the history of the world in the US and other economically flourishing countries, is absurd political sectarianism.
"The Democratic Party needs to redeem itself moreso than “America” does with regard to slavery and racism." This seems just like blaming white kids today what whites did in 1619. People are responsible for what they have some control over, and that does not include things that happened before they were born.
Comparing the Democratic Party to a race doesn’t make sense. A party is precisely something we have control over joining, a race is not. People, especially Democrats, would have absolutely no problem blaming a corporation for what it did in its past. And Democrats have absolutely no problem blaming “America” for what it did in its past, particularly slavery. While America was split about slavery during the civil war, the Democratic Party was very united—specifically in its desire to continue it.
Democrats are currently “investigating” reparations for slavery, yet they will undoubtedly not find guilt or responsibility in their own party. That is repulsive. They will instead find a means, if they do anything, to push the guilt and responsibility onto innocent people to pay for those reparations. The Democratic Party should be the first to pay reparations for slavery and racial terrorism, if anyone does. And out of their own wealth, which derives from slavery and racial terrorism, not from the wealth of the random tax payer who could be a first generation immigrant from India.
If a Democrat supports using tax payer money to pay for reparations but doesn’t support the Democratic Party directly paying reparations, they are essentially slave apologists.
Excellent discussion.