As with many things, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. I viewed the videos several times and am of the opinion that yes Renee did try to run over the ICE agent but he had plenty of time to step aside if he was so inclined. So this comes down to sort of a “stand your ground “ issue. Was the agent obligated to try to avoid the vehicle coming at him or was he obligated to stand his ground and not allow the vehicle to pass. I don’t know the answer but both parties were in the wrong and the exact legal standard will determine whether the agent will go to jail for murder / manslaughter.
The video clearly showed the ICE agent directly in front of her car and she motioned straight forward towards him, and then veered to the right. She did not turn the car to the right and then accelerate. It was forward first and then right. This tells me she was using the vehicle as a weapon or a threat or a show of force. Unfortunately the veer to the right was about the same time as the ICE agent shot her so he unlikely knew that she was intending to veer right.
That's a completely bizarre interpretation. She was swerving AWAY from the agents. I don't know if she saw the agent who shot her, but he's the one who stepped toward her vehicle, positioning himself at the edge of her fender. She may have swiped him slightly while very slowly driving off, and he shot her.
I'm definitely not saying what he did was justified. I think he should go to jail for the main point you mention, she was driving slowly and he had no reason to fear for his life as he could easily have stepped aside.
However I just watched the videos again and what I see is that she didn't swerve initially. The first few feet of her car's forward motion were straight and not turning. The ICE agent was already positioned in front of her car, albeit not in the middle, when she started forward. He drew his gun while her car was driving straight towards him, as I said it was a few feet. Then her swerve (turn) started. Then he shot her. It's clear from one of the videos that her car did hit in fact him but that would have been after she had been shot.
Did she intend to hit him with her car or brush him off? I honestly don't know. There was an open car door to her right so she may have felt she needed to avoid that. Also some people, when making a turn, start forward motion and then turn the wheel as it is easier to do when the car is moving. Also as you mention she may not have seen the agent in front initially. These are all possible explanations.
Another explanation is that she was just pissed at the agents and wanted to show it and went a little close or decided their safety was not an issue.
I take your point. There’s a lot that’s not clear actually from any of the videos. We don’t know the speed of the car when she started moving or anything about what was going on in the car (was she shouting, etc?) or the exact position of the agent who shot her. What of course should happen is that there would be a real trial à la Chauvin. That’s almost certainly not going to happen.
Yes he did that. Also when she backed up she was turning, and when she stopped the turn he was directly in front of her car. Agree he was not in danger and could easily have moved aside.
I watched that video many times and I'm not MAGA anything.
While it is true that at the exact moment of shooting, her wheels were turned, the nuance is that a split second earlier her wheels were not turned. So she was initially moving straight forward towards the officer, and then he drew his gun, and then she turned the wheels and then he shot her.
The point is there is a reaction time. His decision to shoot was made when she was travelling straight towards him. In fact her turning the wheels may have been a reaction to him drawing his gun. As I have said, he should not have shot her, and should have stepped aside. In fact he shot at her more than once, even when she had passed him by.
The fact that the NYT and other media have decided to frame this as what was occurring at the exact moment of the shot and ignoring what happened a moment earlier shows they are not trying to understand what happened but are just supporting a narrative.
If you think they are going to give him a fair trial you are delusional. All the government system is now totally corrupt and they will cover it up to the max.
Agree he had no reason to shoot, he could easily have moved aside. However you're speculating on her motivations - that is one possible explanation but there are others and I have laid them out.
"The result is a spiraling situation that could hardly be more dangerous—with Minnesotans aggrieved by the presence of federal agents, and the agents, as the Good incident demonstrated, perfectly willing to engage in violence when crossed. "
F*ck no. ICE is law enforcement tasked with a legal job to apprehend people in this country illegally. It is not "Minnesotans" aggrieved by the presence of federal agents, as federal agents have primacy to enforce federal law and most Minnesotans understand this and behavior appropriately. It is a minority of agitators and their immoral political leaders that are stirring up the trouble. It is a left media that throws more gas on the fire.
I go agree that it is a spiraling situation, but it has a one-sided cause. It is Democrat malice. And if you disagree, then explain how Obama and Biden could apprehend and deport more illegal immigrants without this spiraling situation.
Frankly, ICE needs to travel with paddy wagons and water cannons, and everyone that impedes them should get the announcements that ICE will use deadly force over any perceived threat.
Given that the left as engaged in such violence including assassinations, there is every justification for ICE officers to be extra committed to their own safety.
The modern brown shirts are violent leftists often wearing brown skirts. In fact, the brown shirts of 1930s and 40s Germany had much more in common with today's Mamdani Democrats.
I’m only having fun with him. There has to be some humor in all this. Costs me nothing. And if I reply to him at length, my thoughts are aimed at others.
You guys are such incredible clowns. First it's "Biden flooded the country with illegals," then it's "Biden apprehended and deported more people without triggering protests"?
Obama and Biden deported illegals without using thuggish tactics and (for the most part) without breaking up families or targeting people who had been here for years, were known to authorities, and had committed no crimes (beyond being present here illegally).
Awe Jimmy. Talk about twisted, you are a bundle of cognitive dissonance. Claiming critical thinking when it is all ideological programming. The way you dolts cognate is to decide what makes you feel good about your luxury beliefs and then rely on your rhetorical blabbing skills to weave a defense of truth bucket of words, many of which have been provided you as common braindead talking points by the Democrat media propaganda machine. Nothing really adds up, but that is fine because you get emersed in self-deception that you are the smartest guy in the room. If you could only grasp an ounce of self-awareness, you would be aghast at how truly absurd you positions are.
I am interested in what you do or have done for a living. I am guessing that it includes living of the soft money of government. Education?
>Obama and Biden deported illegals without using thuggish tactics
Not exactly. Deportations under Biden and Obama were mostly failed border crossings categorized as "removals." Those really aren't comparable to what's being undertaken now.
Like so many moments we’ve witnessed over the past decades, I always try to put myself into the scene with the victims. It’s a an exercise that often keeps me awake at night, as now.
What was Ms Good doing there? No one seems sure, but let’s assume for the moment that she was there intending to be a witness. She wasn’t armed. She wasn’t threatening any one. At worst she was blocking a thoroughfare. Then the proper response would have been a quiet, self-controlled law office asking her to move her car, and if she resisted, telling her she could be arrested and her car towed.
Instead, whether she was attempting to be a legal witness or just stopped to watch, she faced a version of every woman’s nightmare - an angry group of anonymous, armed men yelling obscenities and threatening to drag her from her car and do god knows what. She’d probably seen some of the videos of what they were capable of. So she was terrified. Did she stab at the accelerator in panic even as she tried to turn the wheel to get away while she stared in fear at the men surrounding her? Was she suddenly thinking of her son at home waiting?
Let’s assume that she was trying to be a witness to the thuggery taking place around her. Then, in her own quiet way, she was Rosa Parks in a seat at the front of the bus, those black teenagers at a white’s only lunch counter, the women walking with Martin Luther King across the Pettis Bridge, the girls chased with dogs and fire hoses in Selma.
But equally possible, she was just a terrified woman alone, surrounded by malevolent male menace and seeking an escape.
Either way, and every way in between, she is the victim here. And all those suggesting that she deserved everything she got are at the very least just projecting their guilt over her death on her, and at worst something far darker and far more unAmerican - an unhinged hatred/fear of the power of democracy and the rule of law.
The videos? It seems clear that Ms Good posed no life/death threat to her killer, who emerged from the event unhurt.
Her intentions or state of mind? Were you in the car with her? Did she vouchsafe to you her thinking?
The intentions of the ICE agents involved? The numerous videos of their mob actions and their words of obscenities and denigration as they mauled people in the streets regardless of any actions on the part of their victims make that all too plain. The utter lack of due process. The defiance of the courts by both the DHS and the administration. The cornucopia of distortions and lies they have spread like some odious fungus across the country.
I’d say we have all the facts we need. But perhaps you are privy to some secret cache of information regarding Ms Good. If so, you really ought to share it. Otherwise all you are doing is muddying waters already well tainted with Ms Good’s blood.
The appropriate analysis is what were the ICE agents obligations in that situation, what was his training, and what did he see/feel. Her motivations are secondary as none of us including the agent actually know these, and she wasn't the one who fired the gun. So while it is interesting to speculate on her motivations, and I have done so as well trying to acknowledge the full range of possibilities, it is not the central issue at hand.
Given that one can hardly trust anything coming from the DHS or the individual agents, I fail to see what you might expect to gain from trying to discover that, even if you could.
Should this ever actually come to trial in a court of law, there’s still no guarantee that the full nature of his motivations would ever be clear.
I’ve sat on a number of juries, two involving murder. Of those two, one was quite plain, the other clouded with subjectivity in which a plea bargain was obtained which depended solely on the defense’s incorrect speculation about what the jury was doing, which was in fact deadlocked because even after three days of deliberation, including two nights of seclusion, half of us believed the prime witness and half of us did not.
What you seem to be ignoring, though, is the near hysterical response from the administration. That should tell you all you need to know. They are desperate to put the blame on Ms Good, to the extent of a number of blatant lies utterly disproven by even the most ‘generous’ interpretation of the videos. Even given the propensity of mendacity of this group, their desperation is quite clear. They know they have really stepped in it now.
Am I emotionally concerned? Of course. As are you. But in seeking some mathematical or scientific proof of the state of mind of both Ms Good and her killer, I think you are aiming for a way of seeing things that defies human logic.
I wouldn't rely on anything the agent says. I would frame it as what could a reasonable person be thinking and feeling if they were in the agent's shoes. I think the answer is they would move aside and not feel threatened and not fire a shot. But I think we need to stress test that to a level of "beyond a reasonable doubt". So yes just like your criminal murder trials.
As for the hysterical response from the administration, I can only imagine as I am not connected with it in any way, and have tuned it out entirely.
They are breaking the laws and terrorizing citizens. They had no right to detain this woman. The agents are not properly trained and dangerous. If they were doing it carefully without having a goal of provoking and punishing citizens it would all look very differently
You are a f*cking idiot. Jesus you people are so uninformed I don't know how you even put your skirt on in the morning. The Federal government is responsible for immigration enforcement. The federal government has legal primacy. States and cities infested by commie leftists are involved in sedition if they impeded federal officer
There can be no doubt in any rational American mind hat one of the prime motivations behind Trump’s (through the puppy killer) deployment of thousands of masked and armed ICE agents into primarily blue cities was to create exactly the kind of tensions it has, with the predicable results.
Trump is dying for a reason to use the Insurrection Act both as a demonstration of his dictatorial powers and as a way to feed red meat to his supporters and to distract them from the damage his economic policies are doing, not to mention the Epstein files. And putting these masked thugs, most of whose training, backgrounds, legal records, and political leadings are entirely unknown into the streets, with essentially carte blanche to do whatever they want is an open invitation to just the kind of trouble we’ve been seeing.
I won’t even comment on the utter absurdity of a Trumpchick wearing a cowboy hat several sizes too big describing an incident about which she could have had no complete, factual knowledge at the time, only excuses from the field by some agent who was either dead to any concept of conscience or very worried about possible consequences.
This will happen again and again until this administration is sent packing into the dustbin of history, and that cannot happen soon enough.
THIS MUST PROVE TO BE A DEATH TOO FAR.
This woman’s blood is not only on the hands of the agent who killed her, but also the puppy killer herself, her demented boss, the six conservatives justices on the Supreme Court for their inexcusable sloth and apparent inability to understand Trump’s clear motives, and the political party that has chosen loyalty over integrity, sycophancy over comp
Gotta disagree about cool heads. Actually it's time for extreme escalation. It's getting very close to time for a nullification crisis and the expulsion of federal officers from the state. If I ran a blue state I'd be standing up a state militia outside of the Guard system.
As with many things, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. I viewed the videos several times and am of the opinion that yes Renee did try to run over the ICE agent but he had plenty of time to step aside if he was so inclined. So this comes down to sort of a “stand your ground “ issue. Was the agent obligated to try to avoid the vehicle coming at him or was he obligated to stand his ground and not allow the vehicle to pass. I don’t know the answer but both parties were in the wrong and the exact legal standard will determine whether the agent will go to jail for murder / manslaughter.
What makes you think she tried to run over the agent? Not arguing, just curious.
The video clearly showed the ICE agent directly in front of her car and she motioned straight forward towards him, and then veered to the right. She did not turn the car to the right and then accelerate. It was forward first and then right. This tells me she was using the vehicle as a weapon or a threat or a show of force. Unfortunately the veer to the right was about the same time as the ICE agent shot her so he unlikely knew that she was intending to veer right.
To clarify, by saying "run over" the ICE agent, I really mean "at least hit him with her vehicle or possibly run over".
That's a completely bizarre interpretation. She was swerving AWAY from the agents. I don't know if she saw the agent who shot her, but he's the one who stepped toward her vehicle, positioning himself at the edge of her fender. She may have swiped him slightly while very slowly driving off, and he shot her.
I'm definitely not saying what he did was justified. I think he should go to jail for the main point you mention, she was driving slowly and he had no reason to fear for his life as he could easily have stepped aside.
However I just watched the videos again and what I see is that she didn't swerve initially. The first few feet of her car's forward motion were straight and not turning. The ICE agent was already positioned in front of her car, albeit not in the middle, when she started forward. He drew his gun while her car was driving straight towards him, as I said it was a few feet. Then her swerve (turn) started. Then he shot her. It's clear from one of the videos that her car did hit in fact him but that would have been after she had been shot.
Did she intend to hit him with her car or brush him off? I honestly don't know. There was an open car door to her right so she may have felt she needed to avoid that. Also some people, when making a turn, start forward motion and then turn the wheel as it is easier to do when the car is moving. Also as you mention she may not have seen the agent in front initially. These are all possible explanations.
Another explanation is that she was just pissed at the agents and wanted to show it and went a little close or decided their safety was not an issue.
I take your point. There’s a lot that’s not clear actually from any of the videos. We don’t know the speed of the car when she started moving or anything about what was going on in the car (was she shouting, etc?) or the exact position of the agent who shot her. What of course should happen is that there would be a real trial à la Chauvin. That’s almost certainly not going to happen.
On your last point, I'm shocked but not surprised. But it's looking more and more like a Dems majority in the near future.
The ICE agent intentionally stood in front of the car. This is against their guidelines. He was obviously not in mortal danger
Yes he did that. Also when she backed up she was turning, and when she stopped the turn he was directly in front of her car. Agree he was not in danger and could easily have moved aside.
It is not clear that the car hit him. There is a doctored video produced by MAGA accounts
Baloney. There's no doctored anything. That's just activists trying to spin a narrative.
See this: https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis-ice-shooting-video.html. You just have total MAGA brain to believe the government’s interpretation. Police in US are already trigger happy but even they wouldn’t have done it.
I watched that video many times and I'm not MAGA anything.
While it is true that at the exact moment of shooting, her wheels were turned, the nuance is that a split second earlier her wheels were not turned. So she was initially moving straight forward towards the officer, and then he drew his gun, and then she turned the wheels and then he shot her.
The point is there is a reaction time. His decision to shoot was made when she was travelling straight towards him. In fact her turning the wheels may have been a reaction to him drawing his gun. As I have said, he should not have shot her, and should have stepped aside. In fact he shot at her more than once, even when she had passed him by.
The fact that the NYT and other media have decided to frame this as what was occurring at the exact moment of the shot and ignoring what happened a moment earlier shows they are not trying to understand what happened but are just supporting a narrative.
If you think they are going to give him a fair trial you are delusional. All the government system is now totally corrupt and they will cover it up to the max.
This is obvious bullshit. You can see that the wheels were turned to the right when he shot. He was never in ANY danger
Yes agreed. But a moment before he shot, the wheels were turned straight at him. There is a split second difference.
Still not a reason to shoot. The context of the situation is that one of the agents started pulling in her car door. She was trying to get away
Agree he had no reason to shoot, he could easily have moved aside. However you're speculating on her motivations - that is one possible explanation but there are others and I have laid them out.
"The result is a spiraling situation that could hardly be more dangerous—with Minnesotans aggrieved by the presence of federal agents, and the agents, as the Good incident demonstrated, perfectly willing to engage in violence when crossed. "
F*ck no. ICE is law enforcement tasked with a legal job to apprehend people in this country illegally. It is not "Minnesotans" aggrieved by the presence of federal agents, as federal agents have primacy to enforce federal law and most Minnesotans understand this and behavior appropriately. It is a minority of agitators and their immoral political leaders that are stirring up the trouble. It is a left media that throws more gas on the fire.
I go agree that it is a spiraling situation, but it has a one-sided cause. It is Democrat malice. And if you disagree, then explain how Obama and Biden could apprehend and deport more illegal immigrants without this spiraling situation.
Frankly, ICE needs to travel with paddy wagons and water cannons, and everyone that impedes them should get the announcements that ICE will use deadly force over any perceived threat.
Given that the left as engaged in such violence including assassinations, there is every justification for ICE officers to be extra committed to their own safety.
Your place is with the Brown Shirts. Too bad we haven’t developed a time machine yet.
The modern brown shirts are violent leftists often wearing brown skirts. In fact, the brown shirts of 1930s and 40s Germany had much more in common with today's Mamdani Democrats.
That interpretation of history would be utterly laughable were it not for what is happening on our streets.
James, as I’ve noted before, pay absolutely no attention to Frank Lee. He only subscribes to Persuasion so he can “own some libs” with his nonsense.
I’m only having fun with him. There has to be some humor in all this. Costs me nothing. And if I reply to him at length, my thoughts are aimed at others.
You guys are such incredible clowns. First it's "Biden flooded the country with illegals," then it's "Biden apprehended and deported more people without triggering protests"?
Obama and Biden deported illegals without using thuggish tactics and (for the most part) without breaking up families or targeting people who had been here for years, were known to authorities, and had committed no crimes (beyond being present here illegally).
Biden invited in 20 million, so he could deport a lot so idiots would buy the lie that he was tough on illegal immigrants. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c36e41dx425o
You’re twisting in the wind, Frank. It ain’t pretty, but it is telling.
Awe Jimmy. Talk about twisted, you are a bundle of cognitive dissonance. Claiming critical thinking when it is all ideological programming. The way you dolts cognate is to decide what makes you feel good about your luxury beliefs and then rely on your rhetorical blabbing skills to weave a defense of truth bucket of words, many of which have been provided you as common braindead talking points by the Democrat media propaganda machine. Nothing really adds up, but that is fine because you get emersed in self-deception that you are the smartest guy in the room. If you could only grasp an ounce of self-awareness, you would be aghast at how truly absurd you positions are.
I am interested in what you do or have done for a living. I am guessing that it includes living of the soft money of government. Education?
>Obama and Biden deported illegals without using thuggish tactics
Not exactly. Deportations under Biden and Obama were mostly failed border crossings categorized as "removals." Those really aren't comparable to what's being undertaken now.
Like so many moments we’ve witnessed over the past decades, I always try to put myself into the scene with the victims. It’s a an exercise that often keeps me awake at night, as now.
What was Ms Good doing there? No one seems sure, but let’s assume for the moment that she was there intending to be a witness. She wasn’t armed. She wasn’t threatening any one. At worst she was blocking a thoroughfare. Then the proper response would have been a quiet, self-controlled law office asking her to move her car, and if she resisted, telling her she could be arrested and her car towed.
Instead, whether she was attempting to be a legal witness or just stopped to watch, she faced a version of every woman’s nightmare - an angry group of anonymous, armed men yelling obscenities and threatening to drag her from her car and do god knows what. She’d probably seen some of the videos of what they were capable of. So she was terrified. Did she stab at the accelerator in panic even as she tried to turn the wheel to get away while she stared in fear at the men surrounding her? Was she suddenly thinking of her son at home waiting?
Let’s assume that she was trying to be a witness to the thuggery taking place around her. Then, in her own quiet way, she was Rosa Parks in a seat at the front of the bus, those black teenagers at a white’s only lunch counter, the women walking with Martin Luther King across the Pettis Bridge, the girls chased with dogs and fire hoses in Selma.
But equally possible, she was just a terrified woman alone, surrounded by malevolent male menace and seeking an escape.
Either way, and every way in between, she is the victim here. And all those suggesting that she deserved everything she got are at the very least just projecting their guilt over her death on her, and at worst something far darker and far more unAmerican - an unhinged hatred/fear of the power of democracy and the rule of law.
Speculation intended to generate feelings of sympathy for the victim. Cold hard factual analysis is what is needed.
What sort of analysis were you contemplating?
The videos? It seems clear that Ms Good posed no life/death threat to her killer, who emerged from the event unhurt.
Her intentions or state of mind? Were you in the car with her? Did she vouchsafe to you her thinking?
The intentions of the ICE agents involved? The numerous videos of their mob actions and their words of obscenities and denigration as they mauled people in the streets regardless of any actions on the part of their victims make that all too plain. The utter lack of due process. The defiance of the courts by both the DHS and the administration. The cornucopia of distortions and lies they have spread like some odious fungus across the country.
I’d say we have all the facts we need. But perhaps you are privy to some secret cache of information regarding Ms Good. If so, you really ought to share it. Otherwise all you are doing is muddying waters already well tainted with Ms Good’s blood.
More emotions designed to deflect.
The appropriate analysis is what were the ICE agents obligations in that situation, what was his training, and what did he see/feel. Her motivations are secondary as none of us including the agent actually know these, and she wasn't the one who fired the gun. So while it is interesting to speculate on her motivations, and I have done so as well trying to acknowledge the full range of possibilities, it is not the central issue at hand.
Given that one can hardly trust anything coming from the DHS or the individual agents, I fail to see what you might expect to gain from trying to discover that, even if you could.
Should this ever actually come to trial in a court of law, there’s still no guarantee that the full nature of his motivations would ever be clear.
I’ve sat on a number of juries, two involving murder. Of those two, one was quite plain, the other clouded with subjectivity in which a plea bargain was obtained which depended solely on the defense’s incorrect speculation about what the jury was doing, which was in fact deadlocked because even after three days of deliberation, including two nights of seclusion, half of us believed the prime witness and half of us did not.
What you seem to be ignoring, though, is the near hysterical response from the administration. That should tell you all you need to know. They are desperate to put the blame on Ms Good, to the extent of a number of blatant lies utterly disproven by even the most ‘generous’ interpretation of the videos. Even given the propensity of mendacity of this group, their desperation is quite clear. They know they have really stepped in it now.
Am I emotionally concerned? Of course. As are you. But in seeking some mathematical or scientific proof of the state of mind of both Ms Good and her killer, I think you are aiming for a way of seeing things that defies human logic.
I wouldn't rely on anything the agent says. I would frame it as what could a reasonable person be thinking and feeling if they were in the agent's shoes. I think the answer is they would move aside and not feel threatened and not fire a shot. But I think we need to stress test that to a level of "beyond a reasonable doubt". So yes just like your criminal murder trials.
As for the hysterical response from the administration, I can only imagine as I am not connected with it in any way, and have tuned it out entirely.
They are breaking the laws and terrorizing citizens. They had no right to detain this woman. The agents are not properly trained and dangerous. If they were doing it carefully without having a goal of provoking and punishing citizens it would all look very differently
You are a f*cking idiot. Jesus you people are so uninformed I don't know how you even put your skirt on in the morning. The Federal government is responsible for immigration enforcement. The federal government has legal primacy. States and cities infested by commie leftists are involved in sedition if they impeded federal officer
I agree, ICE is instigating this.
There can be no doubt in any rational American mind hat one of the prime motivations behind Trump’s (through the puppy killer) deployment of thousands of masked and armed ICE agents into primarily blue cities was to create exactly the kind of tensions it has, with the predicable results.
Trump is dying for a reason to use the Insurrection Act both as a demonstration of his dictatorial powers and as a way to feed red meat to his supporters and to distract them from the damage his economic policies are doing, not to mention the Epstein files. And putting these masked thugs, most of whose training, backgrounds, legal records, and political leadings are entirely unknown into the streets, with essentially carte blanche to do whatever they want is an open invitation to just the kind of trouble we’ve been seeing.
I won’t even comment on the utter absurdity of a Trumpchick wearing a cowboy hat several sizes too big describing an incident about which she could have had no complete, factual knowledge at the time, only excuses from the field by some agent who was either dead to any concept of conscience or very worried about possible consequences.
This will happen again and again until this administration is sent packing into the dustbin of history, and that cannot happen soon enough.
THIS MUST PROVE TO BE A DEATH TOO FAR.
This woman’s blood is not only on the hands of the agent who killed her, but also the puppy killer herself, her demented boss, the six conservatives justices on the Supreme Court for their inexcusable sloth and apparent inability to understand Trump’s clear motives, and the political party that has chosen loyalty over integrity, sycophancy over comp
There’s an old adage that describes the situation very clearly:
"We do not see things as they are; we see them as we are".
Wait you are both siding it? Have you read the nytimes analysis? Stop simping for fascists. https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis-ice-shooting-video.html
Gotta disagree about cool heads. Actually it's time for extreme escalation. It's getting very close to time for a nullification crisis and the expulsion of federal officers from the state. If I ran a blue state I'd be standing up a state militia outside of the Guard system.
See you in the streets comrade!