I have been trying very hard to see Persuasion and many of the close in commuinity who write for it as other than monomanical -- to use Haidt's terminology - and I am failing badly. Outside of "how to" pieces about civility, how to engage constructively with the "other", there is a fairly relentless drum beat that concentrates on extreme…
I have been trying very hard to see Persuasion and many of the close in commuinity who write for it as other than monomanical -- to use Haidt's terminology - and I am failing badly. Outside of "how to" pieces about civility, how to engage constructively with the "other", there is a fairly relentless drum beat that concentrates on extremes on the left side of the classroom and other locations, once in a while, an aim at bothsidism ermerges and it is said that the extreme right is just as illiberal or stupid, but the emphaisis is on what to me is an exaggeration of the hard views on the left to left of center.It hurts me when authors I admire, like Haidt seem to hve fallen into that camp while criticizing it. Extreme language dominates and Haidt's fairy tale statues and the description of types of monomania fall into the extreme. Words like dangerous and destructive are used too freely. I am sadly turned off. I thought of taking the extreme action of just canceling my sub. I try however to avoid actions that cut to the quick, close doors, better to quietly withdraw, retain watchfulness, hope for better. You all make it very hard.
I'll start off by saying that I loathe the far right. I think most people on this site do. However, the far left is simply a mirror image and most NPR listening, NYT readers just don't realize it.
I got caught in the crosshairs of the woke three years ago, when the minister of my Unitarian Church changed the entire nature of the religious community. She preached multiple sermons in favor of transgender rights, the positive nature of Islam and the sins of white supremacy but then was absolutely SILENT about the growing, outspoken anti-semitism in the church. The last straw: I was a board member at the time and she told us that logic, reason, being on time, writing well, etc. were all qualities of white supremacy. When I said that my Black and Asian friends would be offended by being told that these were all "white" attitudes, I was called out for my privilege. I left the church and haven't looked back.
See, I can't see this. Apologize. From my study of all this "stuff," M. Haidt is rather mild. I'm afraid You haven't seen the depths, because dangerous and destructive is what's going ON these days in US Institutions. If You can give me a large Institution where this Leftist-extremism ISN"T dangerous and destructive, I'd like to hear about it.
no offence, I guess we live in different spheres and have different experiences. Clearly, how Persuasion sees what is going on matches what some segment, perhaps most subscribers know and fear.
Glad to "hear." But, see, what M. Haidt and Persuasion as well matches is what is going on below the surface. Not VERY below the surface, because the people behind BLM, the 1619 Project and that umbrella term "CRT" certainly don't have any NEED to hide it. Here's one going against the grain that mebbe SHOULD've have hidden his views. Lost a lotta clients, due to those who write "The Narrative."
I have been trying very hard to see Persuasion and many of the close in commuinity who write for it as other than monomanical -- to use Haidt's terminology - and I am failing badly. Outside of "how to" pieces about civility, how to engage constructively with the "other", there is a fairly relentless drum beat that concentrates on extremes on the left side of the classroom and other locations, once in a while, an aim at bothsidism ermerges and it is said that the extreme right is just as illiberal or stupid, but the emphaisis is on what to me is an exaggeration of the hard views on the left to left of center.It hurts me when authors I admire, like Haidt seem to hve fallen into that camp while criticizing it. Extreme language dominates and Haidt's fairy tale statues and the description of types of monomania fall into the extreme. Words like dangerous and destructive are used too freely. I am sadly turned off. I thought of taking the extreme action of just canceling my sub. I try however to avoid actions that cut to the quick, close doors, better to quietly withdraw, retain watchfulness, hope for better. You all make it very hard.
I'll start off by saying that I loathe the far right. I think most people on this site do. However, the far left is simply a mirror image and most NPR listening, NYT readers just don't realize it.
I got caught in the crosshairs of the woke three years ago, when the minister of my Unitarian Church changed the entire nature of the religious community. She preached multiple sermons in favor of transgender rights, the positive nature of Islam and the sins of white supremacy but then was absolutely SILENT about the growing, outspoken anti-semitism in the church. The last straw: I was a board member at the time and she told us that logic, reason, being on time, writing well, etc. were all qualities of white supremacy. When I said that my Black and Asian friends would be offended by being told that these were all "white" attitudes, I was called out for my privilege. I left the church and haven't looked back.
There's a book, Used to be UU, The Systemic Attack on UU Liberalism, https://www.amazon.com/Used-Be-UU-Systematic-Liberalism-ebook/dp/B08ZS4CMB5, which details how this has taken over the entire denomination.
All this does not excuse the far right, which is extremely dangerous. It is just to say that the far left is too.
Sorry to "hear" of Your experience with UU. Sad, but You said it True about the Leftists. TYTY.
See, I can't see this. Apologize. From my study of all this "stuff," M. Haidt is rather mild. I'm afraid You haven't seen the depths, because dangerous and destructive is what's going ON these days in US Institutions. If You can give me a large Institution where this Leftist-extremism ISN"T dangerous and destructive, I'd like to hear about it.
Don't MEAN to offend, ma'am. Sorry if I did.
no offence, I guess we live in different spheres and have different experiences. Clearly, how Persuasion sees what is going on matches what some segment, perhaps most subscribers know and fear.
Glad to "hear." But, see, what M. Haidt and Persuasion as well matches is what is going on below the surface. Not VERY below the surface, because the people behind BLM, the 1619 Project and that umbrella term "CRT" certainly don't have any NEED to hide it. Here's one going against the grain that mebbe SHOULD've have hidden his views. Lost a lotta clients, due to those who write "The Narrative."
https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/why-i-am-suing-ucla
See, this is what has BEEN going on. Me? I don't actually live in ANYBODY's sphere. I just read a lot, usually 12 -14 hours a day, so no time.
The link below probably requires a subscription to M. Weiss's Substack. Here's another:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/professor-sues-ucla-suspension-allegedly-224100102.html