ALL of this goes back to a single root cause of the Biden Democrats opening up the border for four years and flooding 12 - 15 million new illegal immigrants into the country. The cost to remedy that terribly destructive act is owned by the Democrats. The election of Trump... the historic re-election of Trump... was clearly based on his campaign promise to deport most of these illegals. This is the will of the electorate, and the argument of "cost" is irrelevant especially considering that there is no counter consideration of the cost of doing nothing.
This is one of the most persistent lies parroted by Trump's defenders.
Joe Biden didn't "open up" the border. He deported as many people as Trump has, and he was following our asylum laws as they have been consistently interpreted by courts. The same thing Trump was doing in 2019 when he was imploring Congress to pass new laws, and claiming that his hands were otherwise tied. And then along came COVID and Title 42, for which he claimed to have "solved immigration".
And when the Senate actually negotiated a conservatives' wet dream of an immigration bill in 2024, what happened? Trump killed it from the sidelines so that he would have something to run on. As soon as he beat Nikki Haley in NH, he was on the phone to Mitch McConnell and the rest of the invertebrate Republicans in the Senate who quickly reversed their positions on a bill they had just helped negotiate.
Yet *another* Democrat-sponsored immigration bill killed by Republicans, who clearly find the problem more useful than a solution.
The one major policy difference between Biden and the first Trump Administration was the Remain in Mexico policy, which Biden terminated because it was leaving easy prey for coyotes. It was a policy that had serious humanitarian drawbacks, and whose upside was exaggerated. In fact, the number of border crossings initially *spiked* after the RIM Policy was implemented and only receded later on.
Generally speaking, border apprehensions increase as more people try to get into the country (obviously), and not as a result of immigration policy; our apprehension rate is pretty consistently high these days, regardless of who is in office. Studies have failed to show a real correlation between the number of people trying to get into the country and specific policies of different Presidential Administrations.
The only thing that has seemed to reduce the number of people trying to get into America is the abject cruelty and lawlessness of the second Trump Administration, which the first Administration didn't have because it was still mostly staffed by law-abiding people. And they aren't the only people being scared away from America right now. We're going to be suffering for years from a scientific brain-drain and a hobbled tourism industry because of the pariah status we've gained under Trump.
Those are real costs, and it is positively brain-dead to say "cost is irrelevant" because of Trump's "historic election". Cost is never irrelevant, and the only thing "historic" about Trump's re-election is the fact that he was under numerous Federal indictments at the time. Any implication of a popular mandate is laughable—his margin of victory in the popular vote was less than the margin by which he lost to Hillary Clinton in 2016, and is a testament to the power of right-wing propaganda and the corruption of a party which refused to level with their voters.
The polls don't lie—the American people are clearly not getting what they thought they were voting for, and that's why they've turned against him on immigration. The public is fickle on this sort of thing, and what seemed like a historic swing against immigrants in public polling has now turned into a historic swing back in their favor. A lot of people overreacted to Republican bullshit—along with performative stunts by southern GOP governors, during Biden's term—and are now realizing that they were played for fools by a bunch of tyrannical xenophobes.
They thought that they were electing Trump to deport gang members, and what they've actually gotten is legal immigrants flown to gulags, masked goons arresting people with no warrants, Black Hawk helicopters and SWAT teams breaking into apartment buildings to zip-tie children and assault innocent people, and American citizens being harassed with demands of "let me see your papers" for the crime of standing around being non-white or having a Hispanic accent.
We're here because of Republican cowardice and dishonesty, and American ego-centrism in failing to understand inflation as a worldwide problem rather than one created by Joe Biden. Regurgitating talking points about Biden's "open border policy" is just dishonest and a disservice to this forum.
Bull fucking shit. My God, how can someone put so much work into so much intellectual dishonesty when the evidence compleltly proves the opposite? Fucking incredible. The flow has stopped with the Biden cabbage out of office.
Why doesn’t Trump push through legislation that fixes the immigration system? In 2024 the Senate passed an immigration reform bill. Trump told Speaker Johnson to kill the bill.
For Trump ICE raids are political theater, red meat for his base. Expect them to continue throughout the rest of his term.
Fully agree. The Dems need to go to him, and say, they were wrong to allow Biden to flood the nation with millions of illegal immigrants. With such an admission some reasonable approach that avoids throwing any baby's out with the bathwater might be found.
ALL of this goes back to a single root cause of the Biden Democrats opening up the border for four years and flooding 12 - 15 million new illegal immigrants into the country. The cost to remedy that terribly destructive act is owned by the Democrats. The election of Trump... the historic re-election of Trump... was clearly based on his campaign promise to deport most of these illegals. This is the will of the electorate, and the argument of "cost" is irrelevant especially considering that there is no counter consideration of the cost of doing nothing.
This is one of the most persistent lies parroted by Trump's defenders.
Joe Biden didn't "open up" the border. He deported as many people as Trump has, and he was following our asylum laws as they have been consistently interpreted by courts. The same thing Trump was doing in 2019 when he was imploring Congress to pass new laws, and claiming that his hands were otherwise tied. And then along came COVID and Title 42, for which he claimed to have "solved immigration".
And when the Senate actually negotiated a conservatives' wet dream of an immigration bill in 2024, what happened? Trump killed it from the sidelines so that he would have something to run on. As soon as he beat Nikki Haley in NH, he was on the phone to Mitch McConnell and the rest of the invertebrate Republicans in the Senate who quickly reversed their positions on a bill they had just helped negotiate.
Yet *another* Democrat-sponsored immigration bill killed by Republicans, who clearly find the problem more useful than a solution.
The one major policy difference between Biden and the first Trump Administration was the Remain in Mexico policy, which Biden terminated because it was leaving easy prey for coyotes. It was a policy that had serious humanitarian drawbacks, and whose upside was exaggerated. In fact, the number of border crossings initially *spiked* after the RIM Policy was implemented and only receded later on.
Generally speaking, border apprehensions increase as more people try to get into the country (obviously), and not as a result of immigration policy; our apprehension rate is pretty consistently high these days, regardless of who is in office. Studies have failed to show a real correlation between the number of people trying to get into the country and specific policies of different Presidential Administrations.
The only thing that has seemed to reduce the number of people trying to get into America is the abject cruelty and lawlessness of the second Trump Administration, which the first Administration didn't have because it was still mostly staffed by law-abiding people. And they aren't the only people being scared away from America right now. We're going to be suffering for years from a scientific brain-drain and a hobbled tourism industry because of the pariah status we've gained under Trump.
Those are real costs, and it is positively brain-dead to say "cost is irrelevant" because of Trump's "historic election". Cost is never irrelevant, and the only thing "historic" about Trump's re-election is the fact that he was under numerous Federal indictments at the time. Any implication of a popular mandate is laughable—his margin of victory in the popular vote was less than the margin by which he lost to Hillary Clinton in 2016, and is a testament to the power of right-wing propaganda and the corruption of a party which refused to level with their voters.
The polls don't lie—the American people are clearly not getting what they thought they were voting for, and that's why they've turned against him on immigration. The public is fickle on this sort of thing, and what seemed like a historic swing against immigrants in public polling has now turned into a historic swing back in their favor. A lot of people overreacted to Republican bullshit—along with performative stunts by southern GOP governors, during Biden's term—and are now realizing that they were played for fools by a bunch of tyrannical xenophobes.
They thought that they were electing Trump to deport gang members, and what they've actually gotten is legal immigrants flown to gulags, masked goons arresting people with no warrants, Black Hawk helicopters and SWAT teams breaking into apartment buildings to zip-tie children and assault innocent people, and American citizens being harassed with demands of "let me see your papers" for the crime of standing around being non-white or having a Hispanic accent.
We're here because of Republican cowardice and dishonesty, and American ego-centrism in failing to understand inflation as a worldwide problem rather than one created by Joe Biden. Regurgitating talking points about Biden's "open border policy" is just dishonest and a disservice to this forum.
Bull fucking shit. My God, how can someone put so much work into so much intellectual dishonesty when the evidence compleltly proves the opposite? Fucking incredible. The flow has stopped with the Biden cabbage out of office.
Why doesn’t Trump push through legislation that fixes the immigration system? In 2024 the Senate passed an immigration reform bill. Trump told Speaker Johnson to kill the bill.
For Trump ICE raids are political theater, red meat for his base. Expect them to continue throughout the rest of his term.
Fully agree. The Dems need to go to him, and say, they were wrong to allow Biden to flood the nation with millions of illegal immigrants. With such an admission some reasonable approach that avoids throwing any baby's out with the bathwater might be found.