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Steve Stoft's avatar

Persuasion is already good at Focusing on Important Changes, Not Ephemeral Fights, and at calling out violations of the principles of philosophical liberalism.

But I joined in July 2020 because of the promise to develop a fighting community based on persuasion. It seemed to start out toward that. But the community part atrophied, and “persuasion” itself was almost never discussed.

Persuasion is hard, extremely hard. We have not learned how to do it, because we don’t discuss it and we don’t test our theories. Instead we talk philosophy—that’s good. But it doesn’t do much good if we don’t learn how to persuade.

Most people think very concretely (even I do and my background is math, theoretical physics and economics). We don’t easily apply philosophy. Rather our philosophy is more likely to grow out of understanding reality, concretely.

We do need to think abstractly a bit — what exactly actually changes minds? — we had best frequently anchor that to empirical observation and experiments trying to persuade friends who are easy targets because they half agree with us. That’s still hard.

Just to illustrate my point (I’ve not yet made too much real progress) the best technique I know is to tell someone a simple, fairly shocking fact that can be well documented from sources they trust. If I can get that across then draw a one-step conclusion to a generalization of it.

In my own life I’ve been deceived many times by far left sources, and every time that I’ve escaped it’s been because I finally found clear facts from trusted sources. It was never due to some philosophical insight.

The only way for us to fight and to learn how to fight, using persuasion, is to work together more collectively. Yascha, you are the perfect person to make that happen. We trust you and trust is the bedrock of community. Please think about this and return to your July 2020 roots.

PS Here's the frightening history that lies behind the Identity Trap and Trump: https://yaschamounk.substack.com/p/help-me-understand-why-trump-won/comment/76518178

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Frank Lee's avatar

"The outcome of last Tuesday’s election is not owed to the popularity of Donald Trump; it is owed to the unpopularity of the alternatives."

This is a distinction without meaning given that the presidential election always comes down to two choices. I would argue that the election results are clear that Trump was the popular choice. I don't know what data you are relying on to back this claim that he was unpopular. He could fill arenas with supporters, and Biden and Harris had to hide in the root cellar and basement due to the embarrassment of their turn outs.

I think a better way to frame this is that Democrat sucked so much that it created a massive popular uprising of hope for change, and Trump was offering the hope for change.

If Democrats want to win, they just need to stop sucking so much.

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