Yes agree with all of that. But the Democrats also need to lighten up on the But the democrats need to lighten up on the trans craziness and excessive emphasis on LGBTQ++ identify. Of course Trans people should never be discriminated against, that should be and is, illegal. But stop indoctrinating kids. No more drag queen story hour.
Why does this turn off men ( and women)? Because when the democrats push the gender identity game ( as a way to round up voters) it becomes very clear that straight men are not one of the special groups. Even latino and black men may start to wonder if they have a place in the democratic party.
How about just talking to American citizens, as a collective group? And talking about policies that benefit average people - no matter what their gender, race, etc.
I actually think most good policies do and should apply to both men and women. But certainly the MAGA wish ( not realized yet) to stop the endless foreign wars, should appeal to men. As I said, the Woke agenda (including in the military) is a turn off to many men, probably even more than to women. A male friendly policy would be more money for non college technical trainings to help boys who aren't academic to find well paid work in new industries. Men are probably sympathetic to Trumps wish ( again, not yet realized) to reshore industry - as that could offer good jobs. But especially, as I said, this is a cultural issue. Stop all the woke talk, stop elevating LGBTQ+ , women, and everyone besides men, and treating them like they have more value than men.
I agree that stopping the cultural push for different treatment could go pretty far, so I'm haply to see you mentioned that. The technical schooling idea is interesting too. I still feel curious though. It feels like maybe appreciating men a lot and also women a lot could be worth quite a bit?
Yes and much of what the Obamas said was valid. Although most of it was not very policy specific and they didn't speak about the woke problem, except very very indirectly. They seem reluctant to question the democrat dogmas. Of course both men and women both need appreciation. But its the woke language and cultural phenomena that's off putting, especially to young men. Most minority young men don't actually wish to identify themselves as part of an oppressed group. Or at least, its not the most important part of who they are. They don't want to feel like victims and they don't want to do the kowtowing in the hierarchies of oppression ( as a man you will never be at the top of that hierarchy of victimhood). Most young men want to have agency, they want to work, make money, have a girlfriend or a wife. Obama talked about the need of men to be a provider, that is very important.
Do you have ideas on how culture could better support the Man As A Provider angle? You've had some interesting ideas so far so I'd be interested in your angle on this.
What is needed is good jobs for non college men (and women) and training for those jobs. Unemployment has more of a negative impact on men's mental health that on women's mental health. But if the work is degraded and the worker not respected and not paid a decent salary then jusr having a job does not result in a positive impact.
Yes agree with all of that. But the Democrats also need to lighten up on the But the democrats need to lighten up on the trans craziness and excessive emphasis on LGBTQ++ identify. Of course Trans people should never be discriminated against, that should be and is, illegal. But stop indoctrinating kids. No more drag queen story hour.
Why does this turn off men ( and women)? Because when the democrats push the gender identity game ( as a way to round up voters) it becomes very clear that straight men are not one of the special groups. Even latino and black men may start to wonder if they have a place in the democratic party.
How about just talking to American citizens, as a collective group? And talking about policies that benefit average people - no matter what their gender, race, etc.
Well said! What are some policies you think would send a good message (including to men)?
I actually think most good policies do and should apply to both men and women. But certainly the MAGA wish ( not realized yet) to stop the endless foreign wars, should appeal to men. As I said, the Woke agenda (including in the military) is a turn off to many men, probably even more than to women. A male friendly policy would be more money for non college technical trainings to help boys who aren't academic to find well paid work in new industries. Men are probably sympathetic to Trumps wish ( again, not yet realized) to reshore industry - as that could offer good jobs. But especially, as I said, this is a cultural issue. Stop all the woke talk, stop elevating LGBTQ+ , women, and everyone besides men, and treating them like they have more value than men.
I agree that stopping the cultural push for different treatment could go pretty far, so I'm haply to see you mentioned that. The technical schooling idea is interesting too. I still feel curious though. It feels like maybe appreciating men a lot and also women a lot could be worth quite a bit?
Yes and much of what the Obamas said was valid. Although most of it was not very policy specific and they didn't speak about the woke problem, except very very indirectly. They seem reluctant to question the democrat dogmas. Of course both men and women both need appreciation. But its the woke language and cultural phenomena that's off putting, especially to young men. Most minority young men don't actually wish to identify themselves as part of an oppressed group. Or at least, its not the most important part of who they are. They don't want to feel like victims and they don't want to do the kowtowing in the hierarchies of oppression ( as a man you will never be at the top of that hierarchy of victimhood). Most young men want to have agency, they want to work, make money, have a girlfriend or a wife. Obama talked about the need of men to be a provider, that is very important.
Thoughtful, compassionate, perceptive: that's why I'm still such an Obama stan, and no doubt why he's still America's most popular politician.
Do you have ideas on how culture could better support the Man As A Provider angle? You've had some interesting ideas so far so I'd be interested in your angle on this.
What is needed is good jobs for non college men (and women) and training for those jobs. Unemployment has more of a negative impact on men's mental health that on women's mental health. But if the work is degraded and the worker not respected and not paid a decent salary then jusr having a job does not result in a positive impact.