Dear friend, you write apodictic statements without supporting them with any reasoned evidence, and I have no time or inclination to rebut them. You use insults and aspersions against those you consider in the wrong, in the glorious tradition of Communist propaganda. Your statements are the opinions expressed by that part of the American…
Dear friend, you write apodictic statements without supporting them with any reasoned evidence, and I have no time or inclination to rebut them. You use insults and aspersions against those you consider in the wrong, in the glorious tradition of Communist propaganda. Your statements are the opinions expressed by that part of the American Left that finds fault with all actions of the US abroad... and tends to justify and support the enemies of what they call "American imperialism" no matter what. I do not like American imperialism, but I do not think that it is the only imperialist power or country, nor do I think that every action or inaction of the US on the international theatre is part of its imperialistic vocation.
In the specific on Ukraine, you say things that lack any true evidence. and exaggerate the presence of some elements (like nationalist and far right tendencies in Ukraine -- as if the Russian nationalists were on the left) to decry the legitimacy of the Ukrainian government and inevitably to preach neutrality over the imperialist Russian invasion of the country. Ukraine belongs to the Russian sphere of influence, how dare you!
No serious political researcher believes that the US were behind the rebellion of 2014 -- it is the fable of minds on the far lefts obsessed with imperialist conspiracy and playing into Russian propaganda. A rebellion is not a coup. Indeed, democratic Ukraine includes a number (very minoritarian) of far right movements, and a larger number of Ukrainian nationalists that the Russian invasion multiplies by day. So what? Democracy is the system that accepts the risk to allow representation also to anti-democratic forces.
And yes, the motives of the US in supporting the Ukrainian push for democracy are not purely altruistic and disinterested. But the interests of the US are no matter here, for in international relations all countries strive to also accrue influence. The matter is how and to what outcome. The outcome in Ukraine was a change of leadership towards a more democratic and less corrupt system, obtained through democratic means (which include protests) and confirmed through democratic elections.
The leaked partial phone call between the then US Assistant Secretary of State and Ambassador is an amazing red herring, which aside from showing that high state officials talk among themselves just like ordinary people, reveals no hint of actual financial or military support to the Maidan groups, nor any sense that the Ukrainian politicians they mention are in the pay of the US.
The issue at hand is not whether Ukraine is a perfect democracy of immaculate goodness that exists in a vacuum impermeable to outside influences. The issue is that Ukraine chose democratically its path, and has been invaded by a much bigger country. And the question is whether to support its defence, politically and militarily. The answer of democratic liberals and democratic socialists is and should be a strong YES. A different answer can only come from the exclusive care for immediate national interests (which has a long tradition for example in American Isolationism, but also in other countries), or from an ideological position that privileges a type of economic/social system over democracy.
Dear friend, you write apodictic statements without supporting them with any reasoned evidence, and I have no time or inclination to rebut them. You use insults and aspersions against those you consider in the wrong, in the glorious tradition of Communist propaganda. Your statements are the opinions expressed by that part of the American Left that finds fault with all actions of the US abroad... and tends to justify and support the enemies of what they call "American imperialism" no matter what. I do not like American imperialism, but I do not think that it is the only imperialist power or country, nor do I think that every action or inaction of the US on the international theatre is part of its imperialistic vocation.
In the specific on Ukraine, you say things that lack any true evidence. and exaggerate the presence of some elements (like nationalist and far right tendencies in Ukraine -- as if the Russian nationalists were on the left) to decry the legitimacy of the Ukrainian government and inevitably to preach neutrality over the imperialist Russian invasion of the country. Ukraine belongs to the Russian sphere of influence, how dare you!
I think you take too many of your ideas from the Jacobin (a very telling name, is it not?), as in https://jacobin.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimea.
Most other sources disagree, including the most reliable centre of studies on disinformation in the EU: https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/maidan-protests-in-ukraine-were-staged-neo-nazis-and-nationalists-were-behind-them
No serious political researcher believes that the US were behind the rebellion of 2014 -- it is the fable of minds on the far lefts obsessed with imperialist conspiracy and playing into Russian propaganda. A rebellion is not a coup. Indeed, democratic Ukraine includes a number (very minoritarian) of far right movements, and a larger number of Ukrainian nationalists that the Russian invasion multiplies by day. So what? Democracy is the system that accepts the risk to allow representation also to anti-democratic forces.
And yes, the motives of the US in supporting the Ukrainian push for democracy are not purely altruistic and disinterested. But the interests of the US are no matter here, for in international relations all countries strive to also accrue influence. The matter is how and to what outcome. The outcome in Ukraine was a change of leadership towards a more democratic and less corrupt system, obtained through democratic means (which include protests) and confirmed through democratic elections.
The leaked partial phone call between the then US Assistant Secretary of State and Ambassador is an amazing red herring, which aside from showing that high state officials talk among themselves just like ordinary people, reveals no hint of actual financial or military support to the Maidan groups, nor any sense that the Ukrainian politicians they mention are in the pay of the US.
The issue at hand is not whether Ukraine is a perfect democracy of immaculate goodness that exists in a vacuum impermeable to outside influences. The issue is that Ukraine chose democratically its path, and has been invaded by a much bigger country. And the question is whether to support its defence, politically and militarily. The answer of democratic liberals and democratic socialists is and should be a strong YES. A different answer can only come from the exclusive care for immediate national interests (which has a long tradition for example in American Isolationism, but also in other countries), or from an ideological position that privileges a type of economic/social system over democracy.