Would someone at Persuasion do some fact checking. The biggest working class loss of the Democrats occurred between 1964 and 1972. It dropped from 67% for the Dems to 30%. The Hard Hat riot was in 1970. The reasons were very similar to today. The extreme left did it and I helped. Nov 1972 was the day I woke up to what we had done.
Would someone at Persuasion do some fact checking. The biggest working class loss of the Democrats occurred between 1964 and 1972. It dropped from 67% for the Dems to 30%. The Hard Hat riot was in 1970. The reasons were very similar to today. The extreme left did it and I helped. Nov 1972 was the day I woke up to what we had done.
And please stop repeating the nonsense about how the working class left due to Civil Rights. LBJ arm-twisted and rammed through the 1964 Civil Rights Act. He signed it four months before the 1964 election and that struggle was headline news for over a year before that. Everyone took that into account and that's when we got 67% of the working class and LBJ won the largest landslide in the Democrats' 200 year history! Someone at Persuasion needs to look this up.
Then what happened? The Black Power movement trashed King, derailed LBJ's proposal for actual economic equality; the Black Panthers got violent; Hillary Clinton took notes at the NJ trial where the Panthers were seen as political prisoners until the Court played the tape they made themselves of torturing their own 19 year old innocent Panther before they executed him. Angela Davis bought the four guns for the Marin Courthouse kidnapping. Her shotgun blew out the brains of the judge. The Black Liberation Army started assassinated police, and all the big cities had riots that Black Power and Whit radical approved of.
Then in 1972 for the only time ever a majority of union families voted against the Dems.
Also, of course, all of this was made possible by the support of White radicals, including University presidents. Plus the whole radical left became super anti-American, like the pro-Hamas nuts today.
Black power eventually evolved into CRT and here we are. The problem has always come from the far-left "revolutionaries," who are NOT progressives. Dems get sucked in, as do the R's by their extremists.
The black power movement of the period 1966 to 1972 had its excesses, but it also made important contributions: expanding global anti-colonial consciousness in the USA, advocating for community control of urban black communities, and pointing toward a national unity based in cultural pluralism. In contrast, the CRT of the last decade has absolutely nothing positive to contribute. It ignores the insights of both the nationalist and integrationist strains of the African-American movement of 1917 to 1988, while it pays no attention to empirical facts. It racially and ideologically divides the American people in a time of multidimensional crisis, when unity is needed. CRT certainly is an important factor in the electoral triumph of the MAGA movement. But it is not an evolution of black power; it knows neither King nor Malcolm.
Anti-colonial consciousness? Are you talking about Carmichael, Mr Black Power himself, visiting Cuba and saying, "“We are preparing groups of urban guerrillas for our defense in the cities. … It is going to be a fight to the death." NY Times Oct 7, 1968. I think you're mistaking the consciousness of a few on the far left for the views of the working class.
As for community control, Consider LBJ's June '65 initiative:
"We seek not just legal equity … but equality as a fact, and equality as a result." —President Lyndon Johnson, June 4, 1965, Howard University Commencement Address
Johnson called it "the greatest civil-rights speech of my life." “Never before,” read Dr. King’s telegram, “has a president articulated the depths and dimensions of the problem of racial injustice more eloquently and profoundly.” Johnson was launching “the next and the more profound stage of the battle for civil rights."
So what did Black Power do? They used propaganda about the Watts riot to kill John's proposal because it would have completed with their plans to control urban Black communities, which are consequently still in dire straights.
But your entirely right about CRT (which got it's main ideas from Stokely Carmichael's BP movement).
Yes, LBJ gave a good speech at Howard University in 1965, and it was very much in accord with King’s thinking at the time. By 1967, however, King had evolved further in his thinking on both the domestic and international fronts. The later King, however, certainly would not have dismissed what LBJ had said in 1965, and neither would I today.
The idea of black community control was best articulated (repeatedly in addresses to all-black audiences) by Malcolm in 1964: black control of the political, economic, and cultural institutions of the black community. He called it black nationalism. It was picked up by SNCC and other black power groups and tendencies. It was given practical expression by the Ocean Hill-Brownsville experiment in local community control of schools, ended by a strike of the New York City teachers’ union. It was forgotten by the black middle class by the 1980s, which preferred to take advantage of gains in civil rights to move out of the traditional black neighborhoods and establish separate middle class black neighborhoods. That phenomenon perhaps provided a social context for the evolution of CRT, which is an ideology that defends the interests of the black middle class.
Malcolm in 1964 and King in 1967 were formulating the rudimentary expressions of anti-colonial and anti-imperialist consciousness. They were not speaking of some kind of infantile concept of urban guerrilla warfare in the USA. They were putting forth a notion of U.S. support for anti-imperialist states and anti-colonial movements in the Third World, which were (and are) struggling for their sovereignty, for the purpose of attaining a more just and equal world. The idea was developed further by Jesse Jackson in his presidential candidacy of 1988, when he called upon the nation to turn away from a foreign policy of East-West confrontation and embrace a foreign policy of North-South cooperation. This concept remains a fundamental principle today of the nations of the Global South.
We are in agreement that CRT has nothing to recommend it. It knows nothing of Malcolm, King, or the historical and contemporary demands and hopes of the Global South.
Would someone at Persuasion do some fact checking. The biggest working class loss of the Democrats occurred between 1964 and 1972. It dropped from 67% for the Dems to 30%. The Hard Hat riot was in 1970. The reasons were very similar to today. The extreme left did it and I helped. Nov 1972 was the day I woke up to what we had done.
And please stop repeating the nonsense about how the working class left due to Civil Rights. LBJ arm-twisted and rammed through the 1964 Civil Rights Act. He signed it four months before the 1964 election and that struggle was headline news for over a year before that. Everyone took that into account and that's when we got 67% of the working class and LBJ won the largest landslide in the Democrats' 200 year history! Someone at Persuasion needs to look this up.
Then what happened? The Black Power movement trashed King, derailed LBJ's proposal for actual economic equality; the Black Panthers got violent; Hillary Clinton took notes at the NJ trial where the Panthers were seen as political prisoners until the Court played the tape they made themselves of torturing their own 19 year old innocent Panther before they executed him. Angela Davis bought the four guns for the Marin Courthouse kidnapping. Her shotgun blew out the brains of the judge. The Black Liberation Army started assassinated police, and all the big cities had riots that Black Power and Whit radical approved of.
Then in 1972 for the only time ever a majority of union families voted against the Dems.
Also, of course, all of this was made possible by the support of White radicals, including University presidents. Plus the whole radical left became super anti-American, like the pro-Hamas nuts today.
Black power eventually evolved into CRT and here we are. The problem has always come from the far-left "revolutionaries," who are NOT progressives. Dems get sucked in, as do the R's by their extremists.
https://yaschamounk.substack.com/p/help-me-understand-why-trump-won/comment/76518178
The black power movement of the period 1966 to 1972 had its excesses, but it also made important contributions: expanding global anti-colonial consciousness in the USA, advocating for community control of urban black communities, and pointing toward a national unity based in cultural pluralism. In contrast, the CRT of the last decade has absolutely nothing positive to contribute. It ignores the insights of both the nationalist and integrationist strains of the African-American movement of 1917 to 1988, while it pays no attention to empirical facts. It racially and ideologically divides the American people in a time of multidimensional crisis, when unity is needed. CRT certainly is an important factor in the electoral triumph of the MAGA movement. But it is not an evolution of black power; it knows neither King nor Malcolm.
https://charlesmckelvey.substack.com/p/factors-driving-the-trump-phenomenon
Anti-colonial consciousness? Are you talking about Carmichael, Mr Black Power himself, visiting Cuba and saying, "“We are preparing groups of urban guerrillas for our defense in the cities. … It is going to be a fight to the death." NY Times Oct 7, 1968. I think you're mistaking the consciousness of a few on the far left for the views of the working class.
As for community control, Consider LBJ's June '65 initiative:
"We seek not just legal equity … but equality as a fact, and equality as a result." —President Lyndon Johnson, June 4, 1965, Howard University Commencement Address
Johnson called it "the greatest civil-rights speech of my life." “Never before,” read Dr. King’s telegram, “has a president articulated the depths and dimensions of the problem of racial injustice more eloquently and profoundly.” Johnson was launching “the next and the more profound stage of the battle for civil rights."
So what did Black Power do? They used propaganda about the Watts riot to kill John's proposal because it would have completed with their plans to control urban Black communities, which are consequently still in dire straights.
But your entirely right about CRT (which got it's main ideas from Stokely Carmichael's BP movement).
Yes, LBJ gave a good speech at Howard University in 1965, and it was very much in accord with King’s thinking at the time. By 1967, however, King had evolved further in his thinking on both the domestic and international fronts. The later King, however, certainly would not have dismissed what LBJ had said in 1965, and neither would I today.
The idea of black community control was best articulated (repeatedly in addresses to all-black audiences) by Malcolm in 1964: black control of the political, economic, and cultural institutions of the black community. He called it black nationalism. It was picked up by SNCC and other black power groups and tendencies. It was given practical expression by the Ocean Hill-Brownsville experiment in local community control of schools, ended by a strike of the New York City teachers’ union. It was forgotten by the black middle class by the 1980s, which preferred to take advantage of gains in civil rights to move out of the traditional black neighborhoods and establish separate middle class black neighborhoods. That phenomenon perhaps provided a social context for the evolution of CRT, which is an ideology that defends the interests of the black middle class.
Malcolm in 1964 and King in 1967 were formulating the rudimentary expressions of anti-colonial and anti-imperialist consciousness. They were not speaking of some kind of infantile concept of urban guerrilla warfare in the USA. They were putting forth a notion of U.S. support for anti-imperialist states and anti-colonial movements in the Third World, which were (and are) struggling for their sovereignty, for the purpose of attaining a more just and equal world. The idea was developed further by Jesse Jackson in his presidential candidacy of 1988, when he called upon the nation to turn away from a foreign policy of East-West confrontation and embrace a foreign policy of North-South cooperation. This concept remains a fundamental principle today of the nations of the Global South.
We are in agreement that CRT has nothing to recommend it. It knows nothing of Malcolm, King, or the historical and contemporary demands and hopes of the Global South.