Gee, Mr. Quico, have any clues now as to why people support Trump, when two weeks ago it was beyond your comprehension? What galls me is that anyone who cared to take even a cursory look at Biden and his decline would have seen this coming from a mile. And here you are, published in this klatch called "Persusion" (which, incidentally, has persuaded me of absolutely nothing except that Dems live in an alternate reality) opining about American politics when you apparently have zero awareness of what's going on. Why the fuck is that? I'll hazard a guess -- one that's only been reinforced by reading many of the dispatches in "Persuasion" -- that the left lives in a bubble, and aggressively so. They not only discount negative information, unfairly attack the sources of such, and scream fact-free slogans that somehow are supposed to stand-in for wisdom, or even basic policy, but you step beyond your bounds, pompously label things inconvenient to your fairy-tale existence "mis- or dis-information" and try to prevent others from speaking/reading/hearing it. Like spoiled children never told "no". Oh, and because you have the whole fucking thing buttoned up, right? It's not enough for YOU to live in ignorance - or in the cottony comfort of your own unexamined biases and prejudices, and woe unto those who interrupt your little daydream -- but you demand that everyone else be similarly ignorant and thoughtless. The only thing I can think of that is less disgusting and dishonorable than a lefty writer or commentator popping up NOW and saying, "Geez, Biden is in bad shape, maybe we ought to reconsider" is the cabal of hyenas still sticking with Ol'Joe, lying to our face about his condition, and hoping against hope that he/they somehow ride it out. Fuck what happens to the rest of the country/world. For months, years, it's been plain that Biden couldn't do the job, and where the fuck have you been? Or ANY of the idiots propping up a decrepit old man and pushing him through the motions of the presidency? That you were apparently ignorant of this sorry state of affairs just a couple weeks ago [if we take you at your word] should be enough for you to re-examine what your reading, who you listen to, and how you think. This election is going to be deservedly VERY hard on the Democrats, who FIRST have responsibility for screwing up the American election system to foist Joke Biden on us, and THEN have the fucking temerity to continue the charade even when EVERYONE can see what's happening. This disaster won't be forgotten anytime soon, Democrats are going to wear the Scarlett F (as in FRAUD . . . and a few other choice words beginning with that letter) for generations. So buckle up, because this debate is only the beginning of the reckoning. Now that the cat is out of the bag in a YUGE way, how quickly and how viciously do you think public opinion (No, the actual public, not the one you conjure in your head or stack the polls with) is going to turn, and what is the likely result when folk start asking questions and digging a bit deeper? Ponder that for a bit . . .
Also - am I crazy or was Biden actually CHEATING the debate rules. He was clearly looking down at what appeared to be notes on the podium. Didn't the moderators say that wasn't cricket? WTF'nF?
All this potty-mouth fulmination on behalf of a lying narcissist wanna-be dictator by his own admission. Now thanks to SCOTUS free to be a vengeful one without check as well. And you talk about unexamined biases and prejudices? Look in the mirror. You are good at high school level insults, and even better at double standards. The writers at Persuasion are hardly "Squad" types and regularly question the Left, which in your world (MAGA or even more likely foreign troll) is ignored. That you see no difference between the Progressive caucus and the Biden team speaks volumes about a lack of intellectual rigor, insight or even basic knowledge. That you lump all non-MAGA types together is predictable but simple-minded bloviating.
Oh, how nice to hear from you. Here goes . . . you’re correct that the writers at Persuasion aren’t the Squad types (and I didn’t accuse them of that) and I don’t think Biden is actually “woke”, but is only pantomiming what his aides write for him as they take advantage of his mentally addled state. But I’ve still found plenty at Persuasion to object to, particularly the wrote reliance on silly stereotypes and assumptions about the right, as well as the ease with which many writers there conduct “analysis” utilizing inch-deep characterizations and assumptions which are only a gloss, much like you do in your response to me. For instance, the “wanna be dictator” canard. It’s based off a joke Trump made, like the “Russia help me find Hillary’s 30,000 missing e-mails” joke that caused the left to reel back in horror, claiming it was an actual request for foreign interference with an election. THAT is pathetic - the left can’t even get things that simple correct, so distorted and humorless are you.
And I lump the progressive left in with the . . . I don’t know what it can be called now. The middle left? Where the hell is that? You? You’re the one busting out of the gate with the “dictator” business, despite the fact that practically ALL the current evidence demonstrates that it’s the left who seek to wield total and unquestioned power and authority. I mean, which party is out there demanding everyone fundamentally change the way we live, move about, cook, eat, worship, speak, write etc.? Who seeks to police information while inventing foreign conspiracies and corrupting law enforcement? Who seeks to determine what “truth” is and what can be broadcast? Who seeks punitive action against THOUGHTS they don’t want to hear? Not the fucking GOP. For God’s sake, know thyself.
So, yeah, the left gets lumped together, because you’re perfectly happy to go along with the tide pushed by lunatics with a moral and intellectual superiority complex, who openly vie for ever-expanding authority over the way people live and behave AS LONG AS IT GOES YOUR WAY. As soon as it strikes a sour note with your exquisite sensitivities, you’re braying to wheel out the gallows, e.g. the SCOTUS ruling on immunity. If you had half a brain, you’d see past DJT and see why preserving immunity is essential, for too many goddamn reasons to list here. If the shoe was on the other foot, you’d be tripping over your own dick to cheer on immunity, talking about the genius of the Founding Fathers. But no, it’s DJT, so you let mythology about the “would be” dictator pollute your brain and guide you to an absurd conclusion.
And this nonsense about being “potty mouthed”. Conservatives are consistently subjected to the most base insults — and we can begin and end with “racist” as an example, with all the “phobic”s in between — rattled off casually, and repeatedly, to the point of the terms losing any meaning. Yet at the first indication of even minor pushback, you clutch your hankie and collapse upon your feinting couch. You had better stiffen your spine for what’s to come, despite the fact that conservatives are too decent of people to go around shouting the kind of bullshit the left deploys as a standard
Me, however, i’ve had it with all your fucking preening and sneering. I’ve watched, and read, and thought, then watched and read thought some more. I know you, but you don’t know me. And you don’t care to, either, because we’re all so gauche and primitive and bigoted. That is perhaps the left’s biggest mistake. Since you really haven’t been challenged on your own terms, you think the majority is behind you. Doesn’t it strike you as odd, then, that minority populations who you consider to be your natural constituency (the left talks about them like they’re their property) are fleeing your party in droves? I’m sure your response is something akin to the typical “they know not what they do” liberal consdescension, or waxing poetic about some extravagant “academic” critical theoretical horseshit parading as erudition. And therein lies the rub. We see and hear you - it’s not like you’re shy about telling us who and what you are. we put up with you so long as you didn’t really get out of hand, but you fucked up and went overboard. Consequently, we are no longer going to be cowed, sitting on our hands and remaining quiet as you parade around, shouting and breaking shit because you’re used to us turning away. You picked this fucking asshole of a president, and now you can deal with the fallout.
What will be fascinating is watching al the the press backtrack and try to cover for their mistake in stating the obvious after the debate - so “shocked” were they that they couldn’t help but mutter the truth.
And to think, you do all this in the service of a senile, unreformed ACTUAL racist [check the fucking record] who doesn’t believe a word he’s saying and has never accomplished a damn thing but stay in politics in a state you would otherwise regard as a backwater dump. (assumption alert - but not unfounded). He’s been a mediocrity his entire career, always a day late and dollar short until he was the last man standing in a field of other lunatics.
Go sell your bullshit elsewhere - we’re full to the gills with it.
Why everyone is so surprised is a mystery to me. Biden mumbled and stumbled the way he’s been doing for months. Trump lied like he always does, but he spoke clearly, forcefully, and confidently. The Dem leaders who have been telling us that Biden really can run a viable campaign and spend another 4 years in office were just pulling the wool over our eyes. What a disaster!
As a preliminary matter, one of the moderators recited the debate rules that both parties had agreed to in advance, and one of them was that the candidates were not to make use of notes. Yet we -- that is, my wife and I, and I assume we weren't the only ones -- saw papers on Biden's podium and saw him glance at them and pick them up and shuffle through them. WTF
This is why the Dems should have chosen a better VP than Kamala Harris. If they had chosen a stronger candidate that could now take the lead we would be in a much different situation. It has been clear that Biden wouldn't be fit to run to me for a long time.
I agree, but good luck getting 2020 Democrats (and many 2024 Democrats) to admit that Kamala Harris is not a good person for the position. Of course, if those same Democrats think she is a good person for the position, then they should all be gunning to invoke the 25th Amendment and put her in office now. I think we should. It seems pretty clear to me that he is incapacitated.
I think a lot of us democrats understand Harris cannot win either. Whether the DNC establishment has the fortitude to actually do the right thing is another matter.
I'm beginning to wonder if the Biden team, knowing well the extent of their guy's infirmities, wanted an early debate to force the issue when there was still time to nominate someone else.
Seems a strange (and foolish) way to do it...we have a 25th Amendment if things are getting truly bad. They could have him declared incapacitated and Harris take over. Then they look like responsible adults who truly give a shit about the quality of the person running the federal government. Doing it this way makes them seem totally incompetent and worse, deceitful enough to hide it instead of dealing with it. And given the firehose of people claiming that the president is the smartest guy in the room and very sharp in private, well, if the choice were to prove all those people liars on the debate stage...again, there's just a basic competence issue. You might be right, but if you are, things are much worse than I thought.
I didn't have the stomach to actually watch the debate live. I got a text in the first five minutes saying it's a disaster, "he can't talk." I've since watched some and, OMFinG. It's a lot worse than the headlines. "Stumbles" and "struggles" doesn't say it. A cold? Seriously? Anyone who has seen a beloved elderly relative lose a step, or a whole staircase, and I have, knew exactly what they were seeing, from the pathetic incoherence that breaks your heart, which starts off only occasional but becomes ever more frequent, to the blank, open-mouthed stare of a man in hospice. Four more years? I mean, ??! The proposition is a cruel joke at this point.
The 25th is a different group of people, the cabinet, and then subject to 2/3rds congressional approval. They don't know what Biden's team must have known, during their supposed week of prep and well before. It is plainly a lot worse than many of us thought, or allowed ourselves to think. We just saw the real test, we saw it with our eyes and ears, and polls will show it as well. I hope they do. Maybe Biden's team naively hoped against hope for a fresh, vigorous start to the campaign in earnest, but it seems plausible to me now that the early timing carried with it a heavy dose of "just in case" motivation.
Being essentially the same age as Biden, I found myself wondering whether I would have performed better in tonight’s event. (I can’t really call it a debate; it was a complete shambles on both sides.) Since I don’t have the background he has in government, I doubt that I would have been any good either. But I think I would have been able to be more coherent than he was. I was amazed at how mentally deteriorated they both seemed, although in different ways.
At the start, I heard a bad cold in Biden’s voice, and I know that when I am in such a condition I sometimes have some trouble thinking clearly. But the way he stumbled through sentence after sentence was really shocking. I think it will be a very interesting show watching the Democratic Party come up with another candidate at this stage who will be able to defeat DJT, but I certainly hope they can do it. But then again, perhaps he just had a bad night.
Will President Biden watch a replay of the debate? If so, will he still think he ought to soldier on? If he does think so, it will be additional proof that he mustn't.
All this is premature. There’s the small matter of a Democratic nominating convention August 19-22. Let’s see where we are then. And if we need a new nominee we’ll get one. Whoever the nominee is — and I think it will be Biden — I will be helping Dem voters in PA cure their defective ballots. Everyone needs to put on some clean underwear and get on with the fucking work!
You're whistling past the graveyard. Your point of view is a deep threat to democracy, just like Trump is. Biden lacks mental capacity to be president, full stop, and everyone knows it. You would have a man who is mentally unfit run the United States of America, and that's just as bad as supporting Trump. Thankfully, you are in a tiny, tiny minority of people. Biden will likely step down, and we will run someone else. Who, I don't know. There is no time to "see where we are then." We have to get Biden out today, and move on while we have some time.
I have to disagree that Biden just had a bad night and he is otherwise fit to be running for president for four more years. He just cannot do it. The time for seeing the election in relative terms may be over. I am fine with voting for an imperfect candidate relative to Trump, believe me. But as an American I can't imagine Biden being president in two years . . . three years. That's not democracy - propping up a mentally incapacitated president with ultimate authority over nuclear war is not democracy at all. I may not be able to vote at all if Biden stays on, and I have voted in every national election since I was eligible.
So today, the Democratic party is shamefully sending out talking heads to say « it was just one night » , « debates are not that important », and let’s talk about Trump’s lies. In other words, they’re ducking their responsibilities yet again and sticking their heads back in the sand. Guilty parties include MSNBC and PBS who are hosting more « explainers » than critics. How pathetic. Maybe the polls will bring Democratic leaders to their senses, but it’s looking grim. They want to do nothing and hope it goes away. But clearly Biden is not going to suddenly retrieve full capacity.
I'd recommend watching The Real Debate where they wove in RFKjr to respond to each question. It was creative and RFKjr is brilliant, knowledgable, and articulate. Why is Persuasion stuck on acting like he doesn't exist. Again, watch The Real Debate and then report back on what you think. Thanks.
Yes, a debate is much easier than running the federal government. A debate merely requires some native and some developed skill (which Biden has), as well as good preparation. Running the federal government (well) requires judicious decision-making and a keen grasp on a large body and flow of information. This requires heavy short-term memory, and I have very little confidence in his consistent capability with short term memory, much like I have little confidence in his ability to finish his sentences coherently. The president is also a commander-in-chief, which requires even more judicious decision-making, sometimes very quickly; you feel comfortable with someone who struggles with remaining coherent at times with nuclear codes? I question that wisdom. Finally, the president is a figurehead, a leader who inspires over the long term both confidence and a desire to work together as fellow Americans. I think Biden has done a decent job in inspiring Americans to work together when it comes to his signature legislation, inspired great division -- even with his own party and those sympathetic to it (like me) when it comes to his more cultural leadership, and has drastically damaged confidence in him in general.
Gee, Mr. Quico, have any clues now as to why people support Trump, when two weeks ago it was beyond your comprehension? What galls me is that anyone who cared to take even a cursory look at Biden and his decline would have seen this coming from a mile. And here you are, published in this klatch called "Persusion" (which, incidentally, has persuaded me of absolutely nothing except that Dems live in an alternate reality) opining about American politics when you apparently have zero awareness of what's going on. Why the fuck is that? I'll hazard a guess -- one that's only been reinforced by reading many of the dispatches in "Persuasion" -- that the left lives in a bubble, and aggressively so. They not only discount negative information, unfairly attack the sources of such, and scream fact-free slogans that somehow are supposed to stand-in for wisdom, or even basic policy, but you step beyond your bounds, pompously label things inconvenient to your fairy-tale existence "mis- or dis-information" and try to prevent others from speaking/reading/hearing it. Like spoiled children never told "no". Oh, and because you have the whole fucking thing buttoned up, right? It's not enough for YOU to live in ignorance - or in the cottony comfort of your own unexamined biases and prejudices, and woe unto those who interrupt your little daydream -- but you demand that everyone else be similarly ignorant and thoughtless. The only thing I can think of that is less disgusting and dishonorable than a lefty writer or commentator popping up NOW and saying, "Geez, Biden is in bad shape, maybe we ought to reconsider" is the cabal of hyenas still sticking with Ol'Joe, lying to our face about his condition, and hoping against hope that he/they somehow ride it out. Fuck what happens to the rest of the country/world. For months, years, it's been plain that Biden couldn't do the job, and where the fuck have you been? Or ANY of the idiots propping up a decrepit old man and pushing him through the motions of the presidency? That you were apparently ignorant of this sorry state of affairs just a couple weeks ago [if we take you at your word] should be enough for you to re-examine what your reading, who you listen to, and how you think. This election is going to be deservedly VERY hard on the Democrats, who FIRST have responsibility for screwing up the American election system to foist Joke Biden on us, and THEN have the fucking temerity to continue the charade even when EVERYONE can see what's happening. This disaster won't be forgotten anytime soon, Democrats are going to wear the Scarlett F (as in FRAUD . . . and a few other choice words beginning with that letter) for generations. So buckle up, because this debate is only the beginning of the reckoning. Now that the cat is out of the bag in a YUGE way, how quickly and how viciously do you think public opinion (No, the actual public, not the one you conjure in your head or stack the polls with) is going to turn, and what is the likely result when folk start asking questions and digging a bit deeper? Ponder that for a bit . . .
Also - am I crazy or was Biden actually CHEATING the debate rules. He was clearly looking down at what appeared to be notes on the podium. Didn't the moderators say that wasn't cricket? WTF'nF?
All this potty-mouth fulmination on behalf of a lying narcissist wanna-be dictator by his own admission. Now thanks to SCOTUS free to be a vengeful one without check as well. And you talk about unexamined biases and prejudices? Look in the mirror. You are good at high school level insults, and even better at double standards. The writers at Persuasion are hardly "Squad" types and regularly question the Left, which in your world (MAGA or even more likely foreign troll) is ignored. That you see no difference between the Progressive caucus and the Biden team speaks volumes about a lack of intellectual rigor, insight or even basic knowledge. That you lump all non-MAGA types together is predictable but simple-minded bloviating.
Oh, how nice to hear from you. Here goes . . . you’re correct that the writers at Persuasion aren’t the Squad types (and I didn’t accuse them of that) and I don’t think Biden is actually “woke”, but is only pantomiming what his aides write for him as they take advantage of his mentally addled state. But I’ve still found plenty at Persuasion to object to, particularly the wrote reliance on silly stereotypes and assumptions about the right, as well as the ease with which many writers there conduct “analysis” utilizing inch-deep characterizations and assumptions which are only a gloss, much like you do in your response to me. For instance, the “wanna be dictator” canard. It’s based off a joke Trump made, like the “Russia help me find Hillary’s 30,000 missing e-mails” joke that caused the left to reel back in horror, claiming it was an actual request for foreign interference with an election. THAT is pathetic - the left can’t even get things that simple correct, so distorted and humorless are you.
And I lump the progressive left in with the . . . I don’t know what it can be called now. The middle left? Where the hell is that? You? You’re the one busting out of the gate with the “dictator” business, despite the fact that practically ALL the current evidence demonstrates that it’s the left who seek to wield total and unquestioned power and authority. I mean, which party is out there demanding everyone fundamentally change the way we live, move about, cook, eat, worship, speak, write etc.? Who seeks to police information while inventing foreign conspiracies and corrupting law enforcement? Who seeks to determine what “truth” is and what can be broadcast? Who seeks punitive action against THOUGHTS they don’t want to hear? Not the fucking GOP. For God’s sake, know thyself.
So, yeah, the left gets lumped together, because you’re perfectly happy to go along with the tide pushed by lunatics with a moral and intellectual superiority complex, who openly vie for ever-expanding authority over the way people live and behave AS LONG AS IT GOES YOUR WAY. As soon as it strikes a sour note with your exquisite sensitivities, you’re braying to wheel out the gallows, e.g. the SCOTUS ruling on immunity. If you had half a brain, you’d see past DJT and see why preserving immunity is essential, for too many goddamn reasons to list here. If the shoe was on the other foot, you’d be tripping over your own dick to cheer on immunity, talking about the genius of the Founding Fathers. But no, it’s DJT, so you let mythology about the “would be” dictator pollute your brain and guide you to an absurd conclusion.
And this nonsense about being “potty mouthed”. Conservatives are consistently subjected to the most base insults — and we can begin and end with “racist” as an example, with all the “phobic”s in between — rattled off casually, and repeatedly, to the point of the terms losing any meaning. Yet at the first indication of even minor pushback, you clutch your hankie and collapse upon your feinting couch. You had better stiffen your spine for what’s to come, despite the fact that conservatives are too decent of people to go around shouting the kind of bullshit the left deploys as a standard
Me, however, i’ve had it with all your fucking preening and sneering. I’ve watched, and read, and thought, then watched and read thought some more. I know you, but you don’t know me. And you don’t care to, either, because we’re all so gauche and primitive and bigoted. That is perhaps the left’s biggest mistake. Since you really haven’t been challenged on your own terms, you think the majority is behind you. Doesn’t it strike you as odd, then, that minority populations who you consider to be your natural constituency (the left talks about them like they’re their property) are fleeing your party in droves? I’m sure your response is something akin to the typical “they know not what they do” liberal consdescension, or waxing poetic about some extravagant “academic” critical theoretical horseshit parading as erudition. And therein lies the rub. We see and hear you - it’s not like you’re shy about telling us who and what you are. we put up with you so long as you didn’t really get out of hand, but you fucked up and went overboard. Consequently, we are no longer going to be cowed, sitting on our hands and remaining quiet as you parade around, shouting and breaking shit because you’re used to us turning away. You picked this fucking asshole of a president, and now you can deal with the fallout.
What will be fascinating is watching al the the press backtrack and try to cover for their mistake in stating the obvious after the debate - so “shocked” were they that they couldn’t help but mutter the truth.
And to think, you do all this in the service of a senile, unreformed ACTUAL racist [check the fucking record] who doesn’t believe a word he’s saying and has never accomplished a damn thing but stay in politics in a state you would otherwise regard as a backwater dump. (assumption alert - but not unfounded). He’s been a mediocrity his entire career, always a day late and dollar short until he was the last man standing in a field of other lunatics.
Go sell your bullshit elsewhere - we’re full to the gills with it.
Have a lovely evening.
Why everyone is so surprised is a mystery to me. Biden mumbled and stumbled the way he’s been doing for months. Trump lied like he always does, but he spoke clearly, forcefully, and confidently. The Dem leaders who have been telling us that Biden really can run a viable campaign and spend another 4 years in office were just pulling the wool over our eyes. What a disaster!
There’s a difference between knowing it and staring at it for 90 straight minutes.
As a preliminary matter, one of the moderators recited the debate rules that both parties had agreed to in advance, and one of them was that the candidates were not to make use of notes. Yet we -- that is, my wife and I, and I assume we weren't the only ones -- saw papers on Biden's podium and saw him glance at them and pick them up and shuffle through them. WTF
This is why the Dems should have chosen a better VP than Kamala Harris. If they had chosen a stronger candidate that could now take the lead we would be in a much different situation. It has been clear that Biden wouldn't be fit to run to me for a long time.
I agree, but good luck getting 2020 Democrats (and many 2024 Democrats) to admit that Kamala Harris is not a good person for the position. Of course, if those same Democrats think she is a good person for the position, then they should all be gunning to invoke the 25th Amendment and put her in office now. I think we should. It seems pretty clear to me that he is incapacitated.
I think a lot of us democrats understand Harris cannot win either. Whether the DNC establishment has the fortitude to actually do the right thing is another matter.
I'm beginning to wonder if the Biden team, knowing well the extent of their guy's infirmities, wanted an early debate to force the issue when there was still time to nominate someone else.
Seems a strange (and foolish) way to do it...we have a 25th Amendment if things are getting truly bad. They could have him declared incapacitated and Harris take over. Then they look like responsible adults who truly give a shit about the quality of the person running the federal government. Doing it this way makes them seem totally incompetent and worse, deceitful enough to hide it instead of dealing with it. And given the firehose of people claiming that the president is the smartest guy in the room and very sharp in private, well, if the choice were to prove all those people liars on the debate stage...again, there's just a basic competence issue. You might be right, but if you are, things are much worse than I thought.
I didn't have the stomach to actually watch the debate live. I got a text in the first five minutes saying it's a disaster, "he can't talk." I've since watched some and, OMFinG. It's a lot worse than the headlines. "Stumbles" and "struggles" doesn't say it. A cold? Seriously? Anyone who has seen a beloved elderly relative lose a step, or a whole staircase, and I have, knew exactly what they were seeing, from the pathetic incoherence that breaks your heart, which starts off only occasional but becomes ever more frequent, to the blank, open-mouthed stare of a man in hospice. Four more years? I mean, ??! The proposition is a cruel joke at this point.
The 25th is a different group of people, the cabinet, and then subject to 2/3rds congressional approval. They don't know what Biden's team must have known, during their supposed week of prep and well before. It is plainly a lot worse than many of us thought, or allowed ourselves to think. We just saw the real test, we saw it with our eyes and ears, and polls will show it as well. I hope they do. Maybe Biden's team naively hoped against hope for a fresh, vigorous start to the campaign in earnest, but it seems plausible to me now that the early timing carried with it a heavy dose of "just in case" motivation.
I agree with both authors here… This was the end for Biden. Full stop.
Being essentially the same age as Biden, I found myself wondering whether I would have performed better in tonight’s event. (I can’t really call it a debate; it was a complete shambles on both sides.) Since I don’t have the background he has in government, I doubt that I would have been any good either. But I think I would have been able to be more coherent than he was. I was amazed at how mentally deteriorated they both seemed, although in different ways.
At the start, I heard a bad cold in Biden’s voice, and I know that when I am in such a condition I sometimes have some trouble thinking clearly. But the way he stumbled through sentence after sentence was really shocking. I think it will be a very interesting show watching the Democratic Party come up with another candidate at this stage who will be able to defeat DJT, but I certainly hope they can do it. But then again, perhaps he just had a bad night.
Will President Biden watch a replay of the debate? If so, will he still think he ought to soldier on? If he does think so, it will be additional proof that he mustn't.
All this is premature. There’s the small matter of a Democratic nominating convention August 19-22. Let’s see where we are then. And if we need a new nominee we’ll get one. Whoever the nominee is — and I think it will be Biden — I will be helping Dem voters in PA cure their defective ballots. Everyone needs to put on some clean underwear and get on with the fucking work!
You're whistling past the graveyard. Your point of view is a deep threat to democracy, just like Trump is. Biden lacks mental capacity to be president, full stop, and everyone knows it. You would have a man who is mentally unfit run the United States of America, and that's just as bad as supporting Trump. Thankfully, you are in a tiny, tiny minority of people. Biden will likely step down, and we will run someone else. Who, I don't know. There is no time to "see where we are then." We have to get Biden out today, and move on while we have some time.
https://open.substack.com/pub/simonwdc/p/joe-biden-is-a-good-president-who?r=bcemt&utm_medium=ios
I have to disagree that Biden just had a bad night and he is otherwise fit to be running for president for four more years. He just cannot do it. The time for seeing the election in relative terms may be over. I am fine with voting for an imperfect candidate relative to Trump, believe me. But as an American I can't imagine Biden being president in two years . . . three years. That's not democracy - propping up a mentally incapacitated president with ultimate authority over nuclear war is not democracy at all. I may not be able to vote at all if Biden stays on, and I have voted in every national election since I was eligible.
I agree 100%.
So today, the Democratic party is shamefully sending out talking heads to say « it was just one night » , « debates are not that important », and let’s talk about Trump’s lies. In other words, they’re ducking their responsibilities yet again and sticking their heads back in the sand. Guilty parties include MSNBC and PBS who are hosting more « explainers » than critics. How pathetic. Maybe the polls will bring Democratic leaders to their senses, but it’s looking grim. They want to do nothing and hope it goes away. But clearly Biden is not going to suddenly retrieve full capacity.
I'd recommend watching The Real Debate where they wove in RFKjr to respond to each question. It was creative and RFKjr is brilliant, knowledgable, and articulate. Why is Persuasion stuck on acting like he doesn't exist. Again, watch The Real Debate and then report back on what you think. Thanks.
Yes, a debate is much easier than running the federal government. A debate merely requires some native and some developed skill (which Biden has), as well as good preparation. Running the federal government (well) requires judicious decision-making and a keen grasp on a large body and flow of information. This requires heavy short-term memory, and I have very little confidence in his consistent capability with short term memory, much like I have little confidence in his ability to finish his sentences coherently. The president is also a commander-in-chief, which requires even more judicious decision-making, sometimes very quickly; you feel comfortable with someone who struggles with remaining coherent at times with nuclear codes? I question that wisdom. Finally, the president is a figurehead, a leader who inspires over the long term both confidence and a desire to work together as fellow Americans. I think Biden has done a decent job in inspiring Americans to work together when it comes to his signature legislation, inspired great division -- even with his own party and those sympathetic to it (like me) when it comes to his more cultural leadership, and has drastically damaged confidence in him in general.
Not a pattern? Go crawl back in your cave with Pat Schroeder. (Bonus Points for identifying quote)
Amen madam! See my comment just after yours.