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Arena's avatar

The gaslighting will continue until the morale collapses.

No observers of elections, most notably the post-2000 Carter Baker report writers, defend the integrity of the American elections. They are considered a worldwide joke and have been since Daley and LBJ stuffed the ballot boxes of Chicago and Houston for JFK.

For glib propagandists from coastal inc. to act like the coercion, chain of custody violations, harvesting, pay for ballot, lack of audit trail, ID and verification issues, and various other flaws in our absentee ballot system are not a far worse problem for democracy than Trump's Queens bred vulgarity is just sad and dishonest.

The same writers who have no problem exposing billions in PPP fraud in a system with extensive kyc, aml procedures, 2 factor authentication and real ID, somehow turn mute with the thought a no ID, live ballot, zero chain of custody system could be hacked with billions in unregulated funds flowing into elections in

Here is the thing. Perhaps the lack of interest by the coastal navel gazers in ballot integrity would be credible IF they hadn't spent 4 years lapping up the Russia collusion hoax, Kavanaugh pulling the train, Quid pro Joe Ukraine corruption ( with gas tycoon turned artist Hunter).

But hey, all your efforts did rid us of those mean tweets and get us massive inflation, dead marines and hundreds of hostages in Afghanistan, Covid monomania, and an armed capitol helmed by a dementia patient. So there's that to tell your grandchildren.

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Andrew Wurzer's avatar

You think it's Trump's vulgarity that leads people to view him as a threat to democracy? I thought his constant unsupported claims of election theft alongside actual evidence that he *was* working to steal the election himself -- Eastman memos, his browbeating state election officials, browbeating Pence, his *constant* gaslighting, etc. -- were the biggest threats. I mean, he's a dick, but that's not a noticeable threat to democracy.

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Arena's avatar

The fact Minnesota sends live ballots in the mail without any pre-verification of ID, address, or registration status is a vastly greater threat to democracy than Trump bloviating about being "robbed". Stacey Abrams, Hillary Clinton and dozens of Democrats have bloviated in a similar manner to similar effect. The Minnesota rules (as just one example) are specifically designed to make voter fraud unprosecutable. It is not surprising the illegal harvesting, pay for ballot, zero chain of custody enforcement, and simply raw fraud have flourished. The Dems are not dumb and they know the fraud goes on. In their internal caucuses, they now have 3 factor authentication and address verification before voting. For real.

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Wayne Karol's avatar

Now there's a good example of what Jonathan called the "firehose of falsehood" technique. Bad timing, though, claiming that it's just about "bad tweets" right when a tape comes out of Trump justifying the "Hang Mike Pence" chant.

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DJ's avatar

☝🏼this person is exactly the kind of partisan clown the article is about. Well done!

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William Bell's avatar

Says someone who apparently believes that puerile namecalling can be a worthwhile contribution to public discourse.

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DJ's avatar

Imagine using “puerile name calling” as a counter argument in defense of Trump. 🙄

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William Bell's avatar

I wasn't defending Trump. I was rebuking you.

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Arena's avatar

You are correct. The article is not a serious discussion of ballot integrity issues. Like most modern journalism, it is simply low cost, bad therapy to make mediocre intellects feel superior to *dumb Trumpers*. Guffaw guffaw. Five seconds of Google research would land you on dozens of efforts by Democrats to address ballot integrity concerns. But like 1984, these people go down the memory hole once it becomes apparent their argument might support Trump's concerns

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