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Mary & Jim's avatar

Now do Antifa.

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LosPer's avatar

Agree completely. All of our cities burned due to anarchists and neo-communists hiding behind the death of George Floyd. And the capitol incident is all writers on the left can talk about.

I saw a non-partisan poll the other day that indicated that most American saw the threat from ANTIFA as a bigger issue than what happened on Jan 6. That is as it should be. But did it get play in the corporate, left wing media? No.

Here's the fact: many writers on the left see the ANTIFA riots as righteous. Biden and Democrats didn't even mention the burning cities in 5 days of conventions. Talk about out of touch...

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Tim's avatar

All of the hysteria around antifa and the riots over the summer ignored the long history of rioting in the wake of police violence in this country. This did not happen out of nowhere - when cops murder or beat innocent black people, who are the most oppressed population in our society, cities burn. The idea that it happened because people were “hiding behind the death of George Floyd” is historically ignorant. It makes perfect sense that it was more widespread over the summer considering the murder was caught on camera, and we were in the midst of a pandemic that exposed just how inept our government is. “Antifa” is a TINY group of people by the way. We’re talking low thousands in America. Violent right wing extremists are far more widespread.

https://www.propublica.org/article/global-right-wing-extremism-networks-are-growing-the-u-s-is-just-now-catching-up

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LosPer's avatar

No. The rioting over the death of a few unarmed black men is completely unjustified given the extent of the deaths relative to the total number of police encounters. WAY more unarmed whites are killed by police than blacks (look up the WaPo stats). This issue is being manufactured to generate a foundation for social change that is about leveraging white guilt for retributive, progressive social policies. You know it, I know it, and I'm calling it out here. You are a liar.

BILLIONS of dollars in personal wealth, small businesses, livelihoods were WRECKED by Antifa in a spasm of anarcho-communist violence. The permission structure for the obscenity that was the capitol riot was laid after a summer of violence by the left that was IGNORED by the mainstream media, and SUPPORTED by the political left. Sanders and and his followers could have called them off, but he didn't. He wants this, just as much as you do.

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Tim's avatar

Wow, you’re exhibiting some seriously conspiratorial thinking, which is so prevalent on the right now. I am not lying. I don’t even know what you think I’m lying about. Whether or not you think it was justified isn’t relevant to what I said. It was entirely predictable that it happened, because it’s what ALWAYS happens. There was a full week of riots after MLK was assassinated. Google the Watts riots if you’re unfamiliar. It’s a natural, reoccurring response to a systemic problem that has not been addressed by our elected officials. People are fed up. And the idea that the political left supported it is not true either - Biden repeatedly condemned it. I know the right doesn’t realize that because their media echo-chamber didn’t report on it, but it’s what happened. Even Killer Mike, who is pretty damn close to being a radical, came out and tried to quell the riots in Atlanta.

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C. Scala's avatar

I'm sorry LosPer, unless you believe the FBI is a sinister left-wing institution, all you need to do is look at who they've concluded is a greater threat to American lives and the US government.

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LosPer's avatar

Candidly, my confidence in the FBI has been shattered by the lying charade that was the Russia investigations. I see the FBI now as an arm of the Biden-Woke establishment...I agree there are threats from the extreme right...but I believe they are being played up by the media for political advantage, and to cash in on the optics of the capitol embarrassment. The riots in our cities were real. The more you play them down for political advantage, the less your opinion matters to me.

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C. Scala's avatar

Honestly, LosPer, I wouldn't play down or excuse the riots. But I believe you've located yourself--and not in a way that works to your advantage--with your reading of the investigation into the Trump campaign as a "lying charade." You're part of the problem "we're" trying to solve here.

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Tim's avatar

“The Biden- woke establishment” doesn’t exist. Biden denounced the defund the police movement and wants to increase police funding across the board. He was an architect of the draconian drug laws and sentencing guidelines of the 90’s which led to an explosion in mass incarceration. People who self-identify as woke, who are few and far between these days due to how the right has co-opted the term to mean anyone who speaks out against systemic racism, would criticize Biden’s views on these issues.

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