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Frank Lee's avatar

People suck, especially young people in their idealistic entitled bubble, with a ubiquitous inability to grasp reality of human evil and get sucked into a mythological narrative of fanciful being that ultimately dooms them to harm from evil. Remember that the Israeli military and intelligence agencies are staffed with new young people in positions of authority. They are a generation removed from the experience of real evil, and more concerned about their next party and Instagram followers.

They are so woke I doubt they even learned from this terrible day. After all, most of them did not get harmed or killed.

Bad times create strong men that create good times that create weak men that create bad times. The weak men have risen during our times of peace and prosperity and bad times have returned again. Let's hope we have enough strong men left to fix the bad. Clearly Netanyahu and Biden are of the weak.

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Ulysses Outis's avatar

You do not seem to know many Israeli or the situation in Israel, my friend, because your words are ridiculously insulting. It is the propaganda of Islamists (and of the Ultra Orthodox Jews, a large part of whom do not serve in the IDF) that blame the "degeneration" of modern and secular youth.

I can assure you, Israeli military and intelligence are not weakened by party-going, are not "woke", and most Israelis take the defence of their land very seriously. They have many young people because all young people in Israel do military service (save for those exempted for religious cause).

The failure here was the failure of the policy calculations of the present Israeli government, which, as Ehud Olmert pointed out two days ago to the German television, chose to take troops from the Gaza border to move them to the West Bank. There are serious responsibilities and serious miscalculations in the choices of this government. But that is a matter that Israel will have to solve after the threat of Hamas is squashed.

You keep quoting that idiotic meme from Michael Hopf, which is a piece of intolerably smug pseudo-historical drivel made up by a writer of Mad Max type novels. But have the kindness to keep that kind of indecent armchair philosophy off of this tragedy and the blood of real people. Please.

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Frank Lee's avatar

The Mossad failed and it is filled with younger employees. Just like the US security apparatus, it is sick with woke. Unlike you apparently, I am a complete supporter of Israel and of the Jewish people and see that growth of liberal terrorist sympathizers has led to this terrible situation where Israel was left with its guard down.

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Ulysses Outis's avatar

Are you a Jew? Do you have family in Israel? No? Has any of your children served in the IDF? No? Do you personally know somebody who is or has been in the Mossad? No? Please shut up.

I will discuss Israeli politics and Israel's failures even with the thugs of Otzma, but I cannot stand the insults to Israel's institutions from a "supporter" who, in his comfortable and safe place, blames a tragedy like this on the "moral degeneration" of Israeli youth. You clearly know nothing of Israel, of its history, of its complexity, of the great dream and the sweat and labour and love and tears and blood of Jews upon which it was built and rests. You probably take your information from the propaganda of one of the many American political sides. And I am so very tired of the condescending assessments of gentiles.

It seems that you support Israel just because Israel reflects back to you your anti-liberal bias. It is the same reflex by which parts of the Left support the enemies of Israel just because they reflect back to them their anti-imperialist, anti-colonialist hallucinations, missing the fact that Islamist movements are far-right, fascist ideologies rooted in the rejection of modernity, democracy and freedom -- and of course antisemitic.

The liberal terrorist sympathisers in the West have no bearing on why Hamas could carry out such an attack. There are no liberal terrorist sympathisers in Israel -- the few anti-Zionist groups are extremely religious Haredim.

Israel is not a token piece to use in the political feuds of American culture. I am really fed up with the arrogance of people who talk of what they do not know.

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