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Dec 18Edited

let's "deconstruct" this a little better. Ukrainian NATO aspirations were always a no no This is no great concession by Zelensky. They can aspire all they want, they will not be formally accepted, that's why you have all these negotiations over other security guarantees which may almost reach Article 5 status. The actual big concessions, will of course be over land. Russia currently controls 19% of Ukraine and that can only grow, no matter how haltingly and no matter how many lives the Russians lose. Zelensky claims he cannot give up Crimea, that's of course nonsense, Crimea has never been Ukrainian and only became a part of Ukraine because Krushchev gifted it to Ukrainian SSR without ever considering the possibility of the eventual breakup of the Soviet Union. Crimea has never been Ukrainian. It's actually Tartar, but of course Stalin ethnically cleansed them out during WW2, and it's now Russified and of course, the home of the Black Sea Fleet, they're never getting Crimea back (and we all know if Crimea was the territorial cost to end the war, the Ukrainians couldn't end it fast enough LOL) So the actual big question(s) will of course be the Donbas and Luzhansk. It's my understanding that some of the eastern areas of those provinces were also :"incoroporated" into the Ukrainian SSR without ever considering the possibility of Ukrainian independence. Much of that land was also Russian speaking and completely Russified. Ultimately, the Ukrainians will have to give some of that up. Of course, now the Russians also control parts of Zaporozhyie, and this territory constitutes the ancient Ukrainian heartland .. back to the times of Chmielnicki. If Zelensky can get Zaporozhyie back, open up a little more space around Odessa and keep control of what they have now in Donbas and Luzhansk, while getting into EU with solid European and US security guarantees in case of future Russian aggression, if I were Zelensky I'd take that in a minute... and I suspect most Ukrainians also would.

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