Toro misses the point on Donald Trump -- the reason we want him to win, is not because we idolize or demagogue him, but because we so vehemently don't want people like Toro to be in charge. We look up and see the Democrat party tightly aligned with mainstream media outlets, and social media platforms, not to mention much of Hollywood and professional sports, while simultaneously using all the powers of the Federal Government to crush us, and yes, we've had enough. Vivek Ramaswamy is right on point when he says that January 6th wasn't about Trump, but about the Left so completely controlling the narrative and censoring us into oblivion for the year leading up to January 6th that yes something ugly happened. The Constitution sets limits on the Federal Government, not limits on the people. The Government doesn't give us our rights, we have those just by being here, they are inalienable, so you can't give them to us or take them away. I am woefully fatigued by the extreme right as much as I am by the extreme left, but my gut tells me that our side needs an overwhelming victory - White House, Congress, Senate, Statehouses, Governors, City Councils, School Boards - in 2024 or our slide into totalitarianism by the left might become insurmountable.
When Trump was elected, Republicans controlled both houses of Congress. Outside of a few elite campuses, wokeness had a tiny fraction of the power it does now. It was in response to Trump that the Left became more powerful and more intolerant, so if that's what you're against, electing him was a miserable failure. Unless you support him for another reason.
A terrible analysis. The political establishment was sure he would not win. We are a democratic republic that voted for him because the political establishment sucked and still sucks.
I suppose if you're a good enough con artist to convince people that a degree from "Trump University" is worth something, you might also be good enough to convince people that someone who moved in the same social circles as the Clintons isn't part of "the political establishment".
Wokeness (defined as a shortsighted and gross overreaction to real systemic injustices) has been stealthily growing for many years. You are right that the left has become more intolerant and wokeness has become omnipresent since Trump was elected in 2016. One of the reasons for this was probably a response to the many false narratives about Trump started by the left and promoted in media. (Russia collusion - false; Good people on both sides - literally condemned white supremacists one sentence later but media hid it; Tax cuts for the rich - actually they helped the middle class more than the rich, etc, etc). Another reason was 2020/2021 covid-induced home schooling which let parents see behind the curtain of what their kids were being taught. And another, the unfairness to women in allowing biological males to compete in women's sports. One President won't be able to flip a switch and change people's hearts, but I hope we can make some progress this decade.
Manafort did pass polling data to Kilimnik. He, Don junior, and Kushner did meet with someone they thought was a Russian agent who was going to give them dirt on Hillary. The collusion may not have been as extensive as some people thought, but it did happen.
You don't want people like Toro to be in charge...but you want people like Donald Trump to be in charge? This mystifies me. In what regard do you think Trump will do a better job? Where is he better than they? At least Toro is capable of thinking rationally about the founding principles of the nation. At least Toro has even *read* the nation's founding documents. But fine, I don't have a problem with you not choosing someone like Toro; my argument to you isn't that you should vote for the Democrats (*I* don't even want to do that, and I'm a liberal), but could you maybe nominate someone who isn't Trump? I have no probably at all voting Republican -- I'd vote for Haley or Scott or De Santis (and probably others) before I'd vote for Biden, but you're giving me (and other disgusted moderates) the one candidate against whom I'd vote for almost anyone else. Do *you* prefer Trump to Haley or Scott or any of the rest of the Republican field?
Also, the Constitution most definitely limits the power of the people. Otherwise, it would be a majoritarian democracy.
If you are able to look objectively at Trump's successes from 2016-2020, you have to conclude that he was an effective President. Yes I know you hate him, but he enacted Federal Prison reform releasing thousands of non-violent criminals, lowered taxes, grew the economy, increased US exports, decreased US reliance on foreign oil, defeated ISIS (remember ISIS?), signed historic peace treaty in the middle east, increased military spending. Yes for sure he spent too much money, increased the Federal deficit, was afraid to touch Medicare and SS, hired or didn't fire many bad actors like Anthony Fauci and Christopher Wray, and led the initial push towards vaccine mandates so he of course wasn't perfect. I agree there are some compelling Republican candidates, and I could support several of them, if they can make some progress in the primary. If you really feel disgusted with Trump, I urge you to take another look at his record objectively. He is far from perfect, his history with women notwithstanding, and I get that. Earlier this year I was going to be a non-Trump voter this time around, but with all the indictments and unfair treatment, I feel compelled to support him.
We have to remind ourselves - sometimes gently and sometimes harshly - that the founding fathers gave us a constitutional democratic republic with laws, rules and customs for among many other things the orderly transfer of power and the right to petition our government peacefully. No matter what our grievances are, bad things happen when we decide to step outside of the confines of the constitution to right what we perceive as a wrong. (Good things happen when we take the time and expend the energy needed to amend the constitution.) It is no accident that we are the longest lived republic the world has ever known.
The only important case against Donald Trump is the voters' case. His election proved two things. 1- Voters prefer to be governed by people they perceive to be like themselves. 2- Hillary Clinton was a terrible candidate. The fact that he showed well against Joe Biden should be hint to Democrats that they are way far left of the mainstream. But the hint won't be taken. Instead, they will have their ears attuned to the mainstream press/liberal pressure group axis
Toro misses the point on Donald Trump -- the reason we want him to win, is not because we idolize or demagogue him, but because we so vehemently don't want people like Toro to be in charge. We look up and see the Democrat party tightly aligned with mainstream media outlets, and social media platforms, not to mention much of Hollywood and professional sports, while simultaneously using all the powers of the Federal Government to crush us, and yes, we've had enough. Vivek Ramaswamy is right on point when he says that January 6th wasn't about Trump, but about the Left so completely controlling the narrative and censoring us into oblivion for the year leading up to January 6th that yes something ugly happened. The Constitution sets limits on the Federal Government, not limits on the people. The Government doesn't give us our rights, we have those just by being here, they are inalienable, so you can't give them to us or take them away. I am woefully fatigued by the extreme right as much as I am by the extreme left, but my gut tells me that our side needs an overwhelming victory - White House, Congress, Senate, Statehouses, Governors, City Councils, School Boards - in 2024 or our slide into totalitarianism by the left might become insurmountable.
When Trump was elected, Republicans controlled both houses of Congress. Outside of a few elite campuses, wokeness had a tiny fraction of the power it does now. It was in response to Trump that the Left became more powerful and more intolerant, so if that's what you're against, electing him was a miserable failure. Unless you support him for another reason.
A terrible analysis. The political establishment was sure he would not win. We are a democratic republic that voted for him because the political establishment sucked and still sucks.
I suppose if you're a good enough con artist to convince people that a degree from "Trump University" is worth something, you might also be good enough to convince people that someone who moved in the same social circles as the Clintons isn't part of "the political establishment".
Funny how libs believe Trump supporters are conned when 90% of the political establishment controlled media... feeds libs their daily ration of TDS.
Libs are conned into rage against Trump while the political establishment they support becomes more tyrannical.
Conned, see mirror.
Wokeness (defined as a shortsighted and gross overreaction to real systemic injustices) has been stealthily growing for many years. You are right that the left has become more intolerant and wokeness has become omnipresent since Trump was elected in 2016. One of the reasons for this was probably a response to the many false narratives about Trump started by the left and promoted in media. (Russia collusion - false; Good people on both sides - literally condemned white supremacists one sentence later but media hid it; Tax cuts for the rich - actually they helped the middle class more than the rich, etc, etc). Another reason was 2020/2021 covid-induced home schooling which let parents see behind the curtain of what their kids were being taught. And another, the unfairness to women in allowing biological males to compete in women's sports. One President won't be able to flip a switch and change people's hearts, but I hope we can make some progress this decade.
Manafort did pass polling data to Kilimnik. He, Don junior, and Kushner did meet with someone they thought was a Russian agent who was going to give them dirt on Hillary. The collusion may not have been as extensive as some people thought, but it did happen.
You don't want people like Toro to be in charge...but you want people like Donald Trump to be in charge? This mystifies me. In what regard do you think Trump will do a better job? Where is he better than they? At least Toro is capable of thinking rationally about the founding principles of the nation. At least Toro has even *read* the nation's founding documents. But fine, I don't have a problem with you not choosing someone like Toro; my argument to you isn't that you should vote for the Democrats (*I* don't even want to do that, and I'm a liberal), but could you maybe nominate someone who isn't Trump? I have no probably at all voting Republican -- I'd vote for Haley or Scott or De Santis (and probably others) before I'd vote for Biden, but you're giving me (and other disgusted moderates) the one candidate against whom I'd vote for almost anyone else. Do *you* prefer Trump to Haley or Scott or any of the rest of the Republican field?
Also, the Constitution most definitely limits the power of the people. Otherwise, it would be a majoritarian democracy.
If you are able to look objectively at Trump's successes from 2016-2020, you have to conclude that he was an effective President. Yes I know you hate him, but he enacted Federal Prison reform releasing thousands of non-violent criminals, lowered taxes, grew the economy, increased US exports, decreased US reliance on foreign oil, defeated ISIS (remember ISIS?), signed historic peace treaty in the middle east, increased military spending. Yes for sure he spent too much money, increased the Federal deficit, was afraid to touch Medicare and SS, hired or didn't fire many bad actors like Anthony Fauci and Christopher Wray, and led the initial push towards vaccine mandates so he of course wasn't perfect. I agree there are some compelling Republican candidates, and I could support several of them, if they can make some progress in the primary. If you really feel disgusted with Trump, I urge you to take another look at his record objectively. He is far from perfect, his history with women notwithstanding, and I get that. Earlier this year I was going to be a non-Trump voter this time around, but with all the indictments and unfair treatment, I feel compelled to support him.
We have to remind ourselves - sometimes gently and sometimes harshly - that the founding fathers gave us a constitutional democratic republic with laws, rules and customs for among many other things the orderly transfer of power and the right to petition our government peacefully. No matter what our grievances are, bad things happen when we decide to step outside of the confines of the constitution to right what we perceive as a wrong. (Good things happen when we take the time and expend the energy needed to amend the constitution.) It is no accident that we are the longest lived republic the world has ever known.
The only important case against Donald Trump is the voters' case. His election proved two things. 1- Voters prefer to be governed by people they perceive to be like themselves. 2- Hillary Clinton was a terrible candidate. The fact that he showed well against Joe Biden should be hint to Democrats that they are way far left of the mainstream. But the hint won't be taken. Instead, they will have their ears attuned to the mainstream press/liberal pressure group axis
Protecting people like Trump and his supporters is the entire purpose of the US Constitution.
I stopped reading after the first two paragraphs which just set up a strawman.
If i want to read strawman caricatures of the Right, I can read the NY Times.