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While the take down of Turchin’s thesis is reasonably convincing on the data, its worth stating that the ‘vibes’ case for his position, remains somewhat compelling.

What we’re all looking for of course is clarifying explanations around the very worrying state of affairs in the U.S. and across the west. It does seem clear that the current ‘instabilities’ go well beyond the individual political players to structural questions of how well societies are working for their citizens, and indeed how such a thing is defined and internalized.

Whether or not his argument falls down under rigorous data analysis…there remains some strong intuitive linkage between the gist of what he is saying, (that a fundamental incongruence between expectations and experienced realities can be destabilizing), and the broader case from the new right around the failures of Liberalism.

It may well be that a significant part of the ‘burn it all down’ sensibility, (another ‘easy off the tongue, difficult to quantify ‘adage’), is down to expectations of status related to the identity politics and academic trends of the last 60 years, so well broken down in ‘The Identity Trap’. It almost certainly has something to do with the transformative forces of new media and technology.

Upshot, Turchin may not make the grade for scholarship at Persuasion, but it would be a mistake to dismiss him as a crank or completely unworthy of consideration. As with Huntignton, there is a grain of truth in it. It resonates for a reason. Better to expose the reason, that dismiss it as statistically unproven.

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