I cannot see this new ideology as anything other than requiring the forcible conversion of all Jews and Muslims, presumably by the application of 'hot irons'. How this is different from what we experienced in Germany in the middle of the last century is not clear to me. How can anyone treat this as anything other than religious totalitarianism? Why are liberals not calling this out as the worst aspects of the Inquisition being revived?
I hope American Catholic integralists and other post-liberal types remember that religious freedom is what allowed Catholics and their faith to flourish in America, especially during eras when the Protestant majority did not want them around.
Some words of advice for the Catholic Integralists. Be careful what you ask for. You may bring on a theocracy just one in tune with a different god using unfamiliar rituals and liturgy.
According to the concept of integralism, it would seem that 'wokism' also counts as 'integrationalist' insofar as it pursues government and corporate coerced enforcement of moral standards. It even has a pope in Ibram Kendi!
The religious wars in Europe, in the 16th and 17th centuries, or the murder of the Huguenots in Catholic France or the bloody suppression of the Christians by the Emperors before Constantine or the behavior of the Taliban or the Iranian Mullas show what happens when religion gets its hands on the levers of state power. If you aren’t a devotee of the dominant sect, you are screwed. Why would anyone want such a thing.
The bloody suppression of the Christians before Constantine was (aside from the immense exaggeration of persecution which the winners repeated for two millennia afterwards and the lack -- thanks to the aforementioned total victory and the fact that only the victors preserved documents) part of the reaction of the Roman Empire against what it considered dangerous cults liable to destabilise public order: Christianity was a Jewish sect at the time and militant Jews were a thorn in the side of the Empire; so where the worshippers of Mithra and a slew of other cults... including some that worshipped gods included in the Pantheon, but in a disorderly way.
Religion had its hands on the levers of state power for 1500 years in Western Europe, before the liberal revolutions and the celebrated 1870 fall of the Papal States. In the Muslims states the same was true everywhere, since the inception of Islam in the 7th century CE. Many of the polytheistic cultures have traditionally not fared much better, if one looks for example at the attempts of Hindus to suppress Muslims and Sikhs and vice versa.
If you believe that your creed holds the only truth and only way for salvation, you will want such a thing. If you believe that the Word of God has been given to you, and all the other beliefs are shams and evilness, you will want such a thing. And this is why they want such a thing.
It has been our good fortune that the globalised material civilisation that allows all of us to be richer forces continuous contact among people of different beliefs and allows for little suppression in order to maintain a free market and rising living standards. But wait. Times change. The Chinese model is behind the corner, and it can be implemented equally by a religious ideal as it is by a political ideology.
I cannot see this new ideology as anything other than requiring the forcible conversion of all Jews and Muslims, presumably by the application of 'hot irons'. How this is different from what we experienced in Germany in the middle of the last century is not clear to me. How can anyone treat this as anything other than religious totalitarianism? Why are liberals not calling this out as the worst aspects of the Inquisition being revived?
I hope American Catholic integralists and other post-liberal types remember that religious freedom is what allowed Catholics and their faith to flourish in America, especially during eras when the Protestant majority did not want them around.
Some words of advice for the Catholic Integralists. Be careful what you ask for. You may bring on a theocracy just one in tune with a different god using unfamiliar rituals and liturgy.
According to the concept of integralism, it would seem that 'wokism' also counts as 'integrationalist' insofar as it pursues government and corporate coerced enforcement of moral standards. It even has a pope in Ibram Kendi!
The religious wars in Europe, in the 16th and 17th centuries, or the murder of the Huguenots in Catholic France or the bloody suppression of the Christians by the Emperors before Constantine or the behavior of the Taliban or the Iranian Mullas show what happens when religion gets its hands on the levers of state power. If you aren’t a devotee of the dominant sect, you are screwed. Why would anyone want such a thing.
I completely agree, but...
The bloody suppression of the Christians before Constantine was (aside from the immense exaggeration of persecution which the winners repeated for two millennia afterwards and the lack -- thanks to the aforementioned total victory and the fact that only the victors preserved documents) part of the reaction of the Roman Empire against what it considered dangerous cults liable to destabilise public order: Christianity was a Jewish sect at the time and militant Jews were a thorn in the side of the Empire; so where the worshippers of Mithra and a slew of other cults... including some that worshipped gods included in the Pantheon, but in a disorderly way.
Religion had its hands on the levers of state power for 1500 years in Western Europe, before the liberal revolutions and the celebrated 1870 fall of the Papal States. In the Muslims states the same was true everywhere, since the inception of Islam in the 7th century CE. Many of the polytheistic cultures have traditionally not fared much better, if one looks for example at the attempts of Hindus to suppress Muslims and Sikhs and vice versa.
If you believe that your creed holds the only truth and only way for salvation, you will want such a thing. If you believe that the Word of God has been given to you, and all the other beliefs are shams and evilness, you will want such a thing. And this is why they want such a thing.
It has been our good fortune that the globalised material civilisation that allows all of us to be richer forces continuous contact among people of different beliefs and allows for little suppression in order to maintain a free market and rising living standards. But wait. Times change. The Chinese model is behind the corner, and it can be implemented equally by a religious ideal as it is by a political ideology.
Basically, one more example of right-wing collectivism
New Crusades. A repeat of the European wars of religion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion?wprov=sfti1